This looks like an interesting tire is anybody riding on them , impressions ? Is this a soft compound tread like the WS 80's a tire that is very good on black ice ?
I would guess they would be similar compound as they both true winter tires from the same manufacturer The WS80 are a general winter tire while the LM001 are a performance winter tire designed for performance coupes and sedans. Because of this they have limited sizes available compared to the WS80's. What are you putting them on? As for the tread patterns, the V pattern of LM001 is becoming more popular. Several manufactures have similar patterns like the Michelin X-Ice and i have run similar patterened General Altimax Arctic's and some Goodyears back in the day. I tend to like this V pattern in winter tires.
Yes, they are a softer compound tire made for colder temperatures. They will wear very quickly in warm temps. They also supposedly have a formulae that helps grip on ice. One other consideration might be to go down one rim size and get a taller profile tire for Winter. It's not like you will be driving aggressively.
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Found this info on the Tire Rack website. Performance Winter / Snow (Blizzak LM 001) For drivers wanting enhanced dry road handling from their winter / snow tires and are willing to trade some snow and ice traction to get it. These tires were originally developed for winter driving on European highways where high-speed driving on clear roads must be combined with traction on snow-covered roads. These tires are available in many of the low sidewall profile, large wheel diameter sizes used on sporty coupes and luxury sedans, as well as several crossover and sport utility vehicles. Meet severe snow service standards, branded with mountain/snowflake symbol. Studless Ice & Snow (Blizzak WS 80) For drivers wanting to maximize snow and ice traction from their winter / snow tires without the inconvenience of using winter tire studs. These tires were developed to meet challenging winter driving conditions around the world by delivering studded-like snow and ice traction without employing noisy, road-damaging studs. These tires feature pliable tread compounds molded into purposeful tread designs that trade some handling in dry and wet conditions to deliver excellent snow and ice traction. Available in a wide range of sizes for coupes, sedans, minivans, and crossover vehicles. Meet severe snow service standards, branded with mountain/snowflake symbol.
All blizzaks, and all snow tires, are inherently super soft and should not be run on bare roads above ~40° . Or they will wear fast.
The regular tire size for this car is 205-55-16 on which I run all out summer tires. The second set of rims and W S 80's are 195-65-15 and came off of our 2007 Corolla and this is our fifth winter running these tires. I plan to get new tires for next winter and am going to stay with the W S 80s based on what I've learned here. I can almost buy two sets of WS 80s for the price of the LM 001. Thanks for the input, everyone.
Well, I finally get to be the information-giver on the website for once! Normally it's you guys helping me but this is what I did professionally for a decade. The winter hi-po Blizzaks are typically good but not better than things that cost less (depending on current promotion of course). The specific model you listed is a winter high performance tire, not a dedicated snow tire. Winter hi-pos are for when you have to deal with some, but not a lot, of snow and ice and you live in pretty flat country. The winter hi-pos still deal with all 3 conditions (dry, wet, snow) better, WAY BETTER, than any all-season. However, they do not deal with deep snow or ice as well as a proper snow tire. The upside is that the last longer, get better fuel mileage, and don't feel nearly as crappy to drive on as a true snow tire. Snow tires are for places where you have to deal with more days where the snow fully covers the road than days where you can see the pavement OR where you see significant snow and also significant hills. Here in Central Ohio, for instance, we're pretty dammed flat and only have 2-3 good snows a year. In our case, winter hi-pos make more sense because 90% of the winter the road is either dry or just wet but cold. I had a number of clients from southeast of here (Athens area, foothills of Appalachia). I always recommended snow tires since they have some very steep hills and the consequences of sliding down one on the few deep snow days a year could be disastrous. For myself, I have a set of winter hi-pos on all our cars. Until very recently, I also had a set of proper snow tires on a spare set of wheels for competition (we did SCCA Road Rally) and for the every-few-years snowstorm where we get 2 feet of snow and I want to go out and play. This is not true for two reasons: 1) Not all winter tires and not all Blizzaks are snow tires these days. The winter hi-po market is about 10 years old at this point. Winter hi-pos are fine, even for hard driving, up into the 60s. 2) Even snow tires now have MUCH more temperature-tolerant compounds than, say, 30 years ago. Even a full snow tire I'd have no hesitation driving around in the mid-50s, maybe high 50s, but I wouldn't want to get frisky on them or you'll just leave black smears down the pavement. 1) LM-001 vs WS-80: Pick the one that matches your conditions: Mostly cold with wet+dry? Winter hi-pos. Mostly get a snowpack that settles in and stays for weeks/months? True snow tire. 2) What's the bolt pattern and offset for the Corolla? If it's 5x100 and close to +50, you can pick up Subaru Impreza wheels crazy, crazy cheap because those guys like to swap to aftermarket wheels. Having bought 11-12 sets of them over the years, my average for a set of 4 is less than $100. I've even had a set given to me. The reason I'm wondering this is that 205/55R16 is the stock Subaru Impreza size and 5x100 is pretty common on Japanese cars, so you might be in luck. Then there's a TON of good summer and winter tires available in 205/55R16 for you at that point. 3) Depending on pricing in your local area, also check out the Dunlop Wintersport 3D (4D? 5D? whatever they're up to this year) for a winter hi-po or a General Altimax Arctic for a true snow tire. The Generals are actually Gislavd Nordfrost 5s. When Gislavd moved on, General bought the tooling, rubber formula, and everything needed to continue producing them under their own label at a small fraction of the cost of buying a current Nordfrost. They're truly astonishing tired. In 22" of snow, I was able to get on the brakes hard enough to lock up the seat belts.
Great post!!! The condition that I try to prepare for is black ice. For us, a trip to our major shopping area takes two and half hours through a varying area of conditions from Port McNeill which is on the ocean and sea level to an area in the mountains that is 1,200 feet above sea level and is considerably colder with temperatures influenced by colder out flow winds from the main land. It can be raining with no snow on the road and the road surface bare and wet but then it can change to a road surface with invisible ice with rain water on top of that ice.
The only truly effective answer for pure ice is studs: For most of us, studs aren't a reasonable answer. A lot of states flat out ban them and if you drive more than a couple of hundred feet on bare pavement the studs tend to get ripped out or worn down to the point they no longer help on ice. If you can get a proper studded tire and run it on good ice, dear lord do you have a lot of grip. The lowest 0-60 time I've ever set was on a studded tire on virgin ice at just the right temperature. It is just silly do hit 60 in under 3 seconds, then get out of the car and fall on your butt because you forgot you were on ice. Beyond studs, a couple of the giant manufacturers make ice specialty tires, but their lifespan is measured in the hundreds of miles on clean pavement (even if it's below freezing) and they're pretty terrible on anything other than ice. They're also only a few percentage points better on ice than a non-ice-specialty tire (unlike studs, which are a whole different world!). Unless you're ice racing in a non-studded class, I don't think they make any sense. So if you're talking about general purpose winter hi-po or snow tires, I have yet to see any of them that stand out from the pack on pure ice. Maybe this one is a hair better between 30 and 32 degrees while that one is a hair better below zero degrees, but nothing that would sway my purchasing choice one way or the other. There doesn't seem to be as much variation in how well they deal with ice (aka pretty poorly overall) compared to how well they deal with snow (varies from moderate to fantastic). The good news is that anything you buy that's cold-weather specific is going to be better than an all-season on ice. The bad news is that it's not going to be massively better. On snow, yeah, you can get massively better. Ice is, fundamentally, slippery and there's not a lot you can do about it other than poke holes in it with spikes. IMO, get a good set of winter hi-pos or snows (depending on your typical weather) from Dunlop, Michelin, or Nokian and then get a set of modern chains from a company like Thule for the occasions when you hit something that the tires alone can't deal with (usually means ice). The downside is that you might find that ice the scary way but honestly there's not a lot you can do to change that if you're out in weather where it's possible.
Yep, like I said, they're not legal in a lot of states. Just one of the reasons why they're a really useful idea for most people. The rest of the post is the important part.
