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  1. bocefus78

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    Anyone ever participate? I signed up for my first.

    It's a 2 day rifleman class put on by the revolutionary war veterans association that teaches the basics of trigger discipline, sitting, standing, and
    prone. They use distance simulated targets to reproduce shooting at long distances while only really shooting at 25yds with a 22. Bulls are .22 inches!

    I am excited!
     
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    Sounds like fun. Surprised they aren't using muzzleloaders.
     
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    Does this mean you went shooting instead of cutting today?
     
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    Neither. I went and pulled another trailer load home from the other spot I was at.
     
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    I heard of them but never gone but they sound like fun! Right now I'd almost rather shoot center fire than .22 though, my rimfire stash is running low!
     
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    sounds like "tunnel C" quals, we used to shoot when i was in the army, in some stations you do not have a full sized range and you would shoot at small targets at close range.

    i preferred the full sized pop up ranges as you had to "identify" targets and put a round through them in a certain amount of time. usually a 300 meter target would give you7 seconds to see it, and shoot it before it dropped.
     
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    Here is a target and how its shot. (position, # of shots per target, mag change or not, and time limit)

    Its on a standard 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper.

    This is all shot at 25 meters. It simulates shooting at 100, 200, 300, and 400 meters from largest to smallest.

    bassJAM - You can shoot whatever you want, it's not limited to 22 rimfire. I hear you on the 22 ammo. I have a stash, and while I wont say its low, I'm not swimming in cases of it either.
     

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    Do you have a full size version of that, and if so could you send it to me?
     
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    Adam, I don't know how I missed your previous post, but I did. I now have a full size target, but it's 11x17. Not exactly printer friendly. I however, can scan it if you or anyone else wants it. LMK.

    Anyway...UPDATE! I shot this class this past weekend. In an absolute mess of standing water and mud, it was still a BLAST! No pun intended. It was too crappy to get my phone out for pics so I will describe it the best I can.
    I strapped on the mil issue gore tex outer layer, took a tarp and a carpet remnant as a shooting mat. My equipment consisted of a ruger 10/22 target model wearing a 3-9x32 el cheapo scope and a GI sling. Ear pro and Eye pro are required also. 500 rounds of 22 ammo is what you will shoot in the 2 days course, and out of 4 types of bulk (not match quality)22 ammo, my rifle preferred Winchester M22 over all others tested and produced 10 shot groups of .5MOA (half inch) or better, consistently, from a rest in the testing I did previous to the event.

    All shots are taken at 25M. Standing, sitting (or kneeling if you wish to), and prone are the only 3 positions taught. The sling is used in a loop format for prone and sitting, and a variation called the Hasty sling is used standing-but the loop method can also be used.

    It takes a score of 210 or more (250 is perfect) in order to earn a rifleman patch on the AQT which is the "test" if you will. My first score of the day was a 167. I was humbled quickly. I thought I could shoot! Guess not ha ha! It may not have helped that to my left on the line was a guy shooting the class with his semi auto .308 pelting me with all sorts of nice hot brass. The instructors even commented about how they were very surprised that I wasn't even flinching from it. That boosted my confidence instantly.

    After listening to the instructors, adjusting the sling ever so slightly after each AQT, and perfecting what they call NPOA (natural point of aim), my score slowly, but steadily climbed. On my 5th AQT, I finally broke 200 (202). By this time there was only 1 more chance before class was over. I was determined to get that patch because....well, to be honest, most people I talked to said it was VERY hard to achieve on your first appleseed event and I tend to set unobtainable goals for myself. One guy there had been to 5 events in 2 years and hadn't gotten 210 yet! On AQT 6, I felt more composed since my scores were getting so close to 210, but I also felt the pressure of this being the last chance to get the rifleman award. I was tired. I was worn out. I was covered in mud head to toe. But I wanted that patch. I wanted to do what most said couldn't be done by a beginner.

    My first stage (standing) went well with all 10 shots being in the black. This is a 2 minute round. Plenty of time to squeeze off 10 well placed shots and not feel rushed.

    The 2nd and 3rd stages went well--again, all 10 shots on target, and more importantly, the stages completed in time. These 2 stages require a standing start when fire is called instead of already being in the shooting position. Fire is called, and then you hit sitting position (stage 2) and prone (stage 3). This is harder since you now have to find your NPOA for multiple targets, and you don't start out in shooting position. You only have 1 minute to get off 10 shots on 3 targets and get in position. There is also a specific round count per target. So in addition to shooting, moving, etc, you have to keep track of how many rounds you have in each target. As if that wasn't enough to think about, a mag change is thrown in these 2 stages to further screw up your NPOA and make you work your rifle. Basically, a whole lot of stuff goes on besides shooting 10 rounds. Lots of shooters would not get all 10 shots off in these 2 rounds without a "spray and pray". Did I mention that the targets get smaller as you go thru the stages? Yep. They do. Even more of a challenge now!

    Stage 4. Prone. 5 minutes. 10 shots. Little tiny targets. I mean Little. Points are doubled here. This is the $ round. Here is where a guy can make up for a bad stage 2 or 3. I took 10 shots in roughly 4 minutes and 30 seconds. My last round misfed. #$%! I ejected it, dropped the mag, loaded that 1 round back in the mag with 1 hand as to not lose my NPOA, and jammed that bad boy up in that rifle. I thought for sure time was going to get called on me and that 1 unshot round was going to cost me my patch. I got the shot off. All 10 were on target, not only that, they were in the black. My last 3 shots were all touching. That means that after all that fumbling, I put that last shot where it needed to be and did so very accurately. I was fist pumping before I even made the gun safe LMAO. Seriously. I'm pretty sure I shouted out the 2 words that come after "Team America..." (If you haven't seen the movie, don't worry-this part isn't important) before I got up.
    This was by far the best I had shot all day and I had that feeling....I just may have hit my 210+.

    After official scoring, I got a 222. Patch earned!!!! Woot!

    The instructors teach you to properly use a mil issue GI sling which is what the class is all about really. Don't go without one. Master the sling, master your rifle, and master yourself (shooting habits), because ultimately, you and your NPOA are the only variable once the first 2 are accomplished.

    There is a little bit of history taught in addition to the shooting. There is no age requirement. I believe this is in all 50 states. Any rifle is allowed, but most use 22 rim fire. It is a rain or shine event, so come prepared.

    I HIGHLY recommend this program to anyone who wants to learn how to shoot accurately like the people who defended and earned our freedom way back in 1775.

    http://appleseedinfo.org/
     
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