In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Murphy's Lawndry Room

Discussion in 'The DIY Room' started by basod, Aug 27, 2015.

  1. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    There is a reason I have neglected/put off/drug my feet in freshening up the laundry/utility.
    Started on this last Wednesday, after pulling sheetrock from some water damage(drain hose blew out of the pipe several years ago) found Termite damage in all three exterior walls - nothing major just ate paper off insulation and drywall, one active mud tunnel so termite guy came and treated cracks in slab Thursday.

    Finally got first coat of sheetrock mud to dry by Saturday using my halogen lamp and shop fan circulating behind it.
    Ran around town to multiple flooring stores to try and find some near matching tile(I didn't buy enough 4 years ago when I planned to run the tile from kitchen into laundry room and it has since been discontinued)

    Finish coat completed by Monday, primed & painted Tuesday, laid a few tiles - took Wednesday off to go kayaking.

    Today I started relocating the well receiver tank - been one thing after another
    Ran to town for a couple more fittings after drawing "my plan" out... yeah that changed
    My tubing cutter decided to fail a bearing after my first cut and I had to resort to the hacksaw:headbang:
    torch bottle ran out after second fitting:headbang:
    GF ran to town for some more gas cylinders while I got most everything prepped.

    I had to drill out some of the slab to access the original elbow so I could de-solder it and sweat in a new T, once I had the new tank in "my plan" changed as the supply lined up with the main cold supply so I cleaned solder out of some old ball valves I had then decided against them due to the restrictions inside and cleaned the original valves I cut out - they need new gasket seats but that can wait for another day.

    Everything finally fitted and soldered by 7pm and good thing there were no leaks because I have about 2" of solder left:thumbs:

    Sorry for the long post should have started this thread last week;)
     

    Attached Files:

    savemoney, milleo, Stinny and 10 others like this.
  2. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    The first pic is starting point back in early July, I was able to tile and get the new cabinet and water heater in the waited until this vacation to do the rest.
    Last picture is the bomb scare after todays relocation of the well receiver.

    some pics of my handy work getting the receiver flipped 180deg and enough room to open the dryer door(in its new left side location) and where I had to break up the slab to sweat in a new T for the main water supply
     

    Attached Files:

    savemoney, milleo, Stinny and 7 others like this.
  3. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    One thing I pondered when I turned the well pump back on is how does the receiver tank ever actually fill up completely if it's plumbed from the bottom?
    There has to be an air pocket between the water and bladder no way its is complete water
     
    wildwest and Eric VW like this.
  4. Gasifier

    Gasifier

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    20,261
    Likes Received:
    101,865
    Location:
    St. Lawrence River Valley, NY
    Nice work Basod! Way to stay after it.
     
    wildwest, Eric VW and basod like this.
  5. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    Thanks Gas - Besides my knees hurting its more mentally draining, and gas tank draining running to the store everyday
     
  6. HDRock

    HDRock

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    17,230
    Likes Received:
    60,193
    Location:
    Grand Blanc, MI,
    Nothing goes quite as well as planned but, you go man get her done:thumbs:
     
    wildwest, Eric VW and basod like this.
  7. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    22,186
    Likes Received:
    140,682
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Exactly. The tank, when it is empty of water, is supposed to be charged with 2 PSI more (or 2 PSI less, can't remember) air pressure than where the low cut-in pressure of the well pump control switch is set. As the well pump charges the system with water, it is compressing the air above the bladder and that helps maintain water pressure in your system longer so that the pump doesn't kick on every time you get a glass of water.
    Without the tank, your pump would run every time you use any water and then shut off as soon as the facet (toilet, whatever) shuts off, VERY hard on a well pump motor! Plus your pipes would rattle more when you shut the faucet. Kind of a shock absorber for your plumbing, well actually it would be considered an accumulator in the world of hydraulics.

    Most of these well tanks come pre-charged with 38 PSI, it is up to you (or your plumber) to verify that pressure is correct and adjust as needed
     
    Last edited: Aug 27, 2015
    savemoney, Stinny, basod and 4 others like this.
  8. Eric VW

    Eric VW Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    24,134
    Likes Received:
    138,268
    Location:
    US
    Nice sweats, basod! Man, I feel your angst!
    Great job, and pics:thumbs::D
     
    basod and wildwest like this.
  9. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    Yep, 2 below.
    Basod....one word. Pex.
    Is that a word? Gotta have the tools though, but it sure is fast.
     
    Stinny, basod, Eric VW and 1 other person like this.
  10. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    22,186
    Likes Received:
    140,682
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Better than having to say crossed-linked polyethylene!
    Agreed...PEX :thumbs:
     
  11. badbob

    badbob

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2014
    Messages:
    2,482
    Likes Received:
    9,946
    Location:
    bozeman pass,park county,MT 6500'
    As noone answered your question,I shall try.As your pressure tank is verical with lower tap,the procedure would be to have a valve under the tank,turn the water on,after air expelled,divert to the tank/house.Old style stuff.Anyone that has lived in the country for some time,this is done yearly,keeps noises out of the plumping.Also the tank should be presurised(should have a schrader valve) before this is done.BUT as this is a pain in the butt,press. the tank about 5 psi higher and ignore the balancing operation(water at the bottom coming out).Turn off pump once a year,repessurise tank,turn back on,keeps noises,thumping out.Just things I learned in my youth.
     
    basod, Fanatical1 and wildwest like this.
  12. wildwest

    wildwest Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2014
    Messages:
    29,327
    Likes Received:
    135,672
    Location:
    Wyoming high plains
    Old style stuff is cool.
     
    Stinny, basod and Eric VW like this.
  13. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    I understand the whole point of the accumulator and yes I charged it to 28psi for the 30/50 setting on my switch.
    Guess there will always be a pocket of air in the tank in addition to the diaphragm, As I'm using water now I'm hearing the air splashing around.

    Only one leak at the threaded connection between valve and FNPT to washer riser, I think the fitting is oblong because I've re- doped it and still weeping from same spot
     
    Eric VW and wildwest like this.
  14. Canadian border VT

    Canadian border VT

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,446
    Likes Received:
    113,550
    Location:
    Vermont
    basod, I understand completely, all 2 hour jobs at home turn into 10!

    Murphy lives! Going to store takes so much time. then finding what you want...

    Then always being 2 pieces short of whatever so you buy Xtra to finish a future project later. Then wife goes why are you procrastinating?
    :hair: :wacky::doh::headbang::headbang::startled: Enough Said!
     
    Eric VW, basod, Stinny and 2 others like this.
  15. bushpilot

    bushpilot

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2015
    Messages:
    3,240
    Likes Received:
    14,355
    Location:
    Eastern Washington
    I think that extra air eventually works its way through.

    Sounds like the project went about like most of them do.

    Greg
     
  16. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    22,186
    Likes Received:
    140,682
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Sorry, I guess I misunderstood what you were saying/asking.
    Yes, any time you have the system open there will be a lil air that will work out over time. Unless there is a small hole in the bladder, then you will keep getting air. I replaced my tank a couple years ago because I would randomly get air at the faucets and the air pressure in the tank would drop slowly over a period of a couple months.
     
    Eric VW, basod and Stinny like this.
  17. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    Finished grouting tile last night after a 12hr shift, I'm lacking some baseboard trim - no way was I going to the store for trim that needs painted cut & installed, plus the pool needed vacuumed badly after 2 days of rain.
    Good thing I own 3 weeks worth of socks and boxers might be a two weeks without a washer/dryer
     
    papadave, Well Seasoned and Eric VW like this.
  18. Eric VW

    Eric VW Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    24,134
    Likes Received:
    138,268
    Location:
    US
    You're still at basod, but there is a light at the end of Murphy's tunnel!
    Can't wait for the post that declares you put Murph to bed!
     
    basod and papadave like this.
  19. Eric VW

    Eric VW Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    24,134
    Likes Received:
    138,268
    Location:
    US
    Do you thread tape and then dope? I've learned that combo can save a multitude of headaches...
     
    brenndatomu and Well Seasoned like this.
  20. basod

    basod

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    5,042
    Likes Received:
    20,776
    Location:
    Mount Cheaha AL
    I've had a master plumber swear by it as well, I finally just Teflon taped it and it sealed up. I almost solder/brazed the threaded valve body to MNPT fitting but being something that will see vibration decided against it.
    I use Teflon all the time at work for test fittings and adapters to Swagelok, the one place you don't want to use it is any NPT PVC pressure fittings or female threads into anything plastic
     
    Eric VW and savemoney like this.