Liberator rocket mass stove

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    Not the Liberator, per se, but building a refractory batch box and experimenting with that. There’s a thread somewheres.

    The high temps of a rocket stove really dictate the use of refractory, so I’m always skeptical when I see all steel models being offered. Too much deterioration/rotting due to oxidation. Even if all stainless.

    The concept of a rocket stove (the burner or burn chamber, not mudded up 55 gallon drums and such), in any configuration, is a remarkable thing!:yes:
     
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    I think the website leaves out a lot of information myself.

    They describe burning a 40lb bag of pellets in 10-12 hours...but they leave out any and all information regarding how much heat life is left in the stove and make no mention of the size of mass containing the heat....and at what outdoor temperature that 40lb bag is burned.

    As light as the weight of the stove is there can’t be much mass to it.

    It sounds vague and too good to be true.

    Let me shed a little light on that...

    My coal stove, at its highest burn in the coldest part of the year only burns 30 pounds of anthracite in a day...less than the 40 pound bag of pellets.

    Yes...I am fully aware of being cleaner with less ash, and cleaner burning, less impact on the environment, let alone wood being a sustainable resource. I get all of that and for some that is what matters most. For others, what matters most is fuel cost savings and less time tending the stove and or procuring the wood; whether that be by cutting, splitting, stacking yourself or having to buy the wood or pellets.

    I burned as few as 18lbs from a 40lb bag in 24 hours.

    The only reason I am comparing the two stoves is because they lack giving other useful information.

    If there’s little heat life from that stove then it is possible to burn more than one bag of fuel per day making it no better than other pellet stoves.

    So again, I would like to hear some actual numbers from someone with more than a year or two of use from one of these stoves. If someone is “nerdy” enough (like me) to buy one them surely they have some concrete numbers to describe what they have and are gaining by using this type of stove.

    No doubt a normal mass style rocket heater in the home will work, just like a masonry heater fireplace does. But this stove... ? I want hard evidence. Without it, I can’t see it being less cost effective or cost efficient to run than my coal stove and I would be interested in purchasing if it could.

    That’s why I would like to hear from some with real world experience and back it up with concrete numbers.

    I am entertaining a masonry heater in a remodel, so I like the concept of the stove. The advantages such as less cost to build, and less weight are obvious.
     
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    I think we would be hard pressed to find anyone here on FHC with one of these... but I agree- it would be nice to see some empirical data.
    :handshake:
     
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    Probably true, but being we have a sub-forum for these types of things I am hoping someone will come along with a link for more info...even post such info here.

    The major drawback to my anthracite coal stove is the amount of ash. It’s not all that bad to deal with, still more than I want to deal with. LOL!
     
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    Yep. Know about that all too well... one of my responsibilities growing up was cleaning our water jacketed coal furnace in the utility room. Terrible stuff!
     
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    I am all for burning wood too, by whatever means. Just saying...LOL.
     
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    Especially when you consider how little ash comes from BK or WS stoves, and most certainly an even far less amount than those stoves with pellet and rocket stoves.
     
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    And wood ash is not "hazardous waste" either...actually useful...
     
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    been following that stove for a number of years - never laid down any cash though. with the addition of the pellet hopper it puts that unit in league with the Wiseway stoves, pellet burner -no electrical power needed. In either case radiant stoves but not a mass heater unless you do that type of construction as a surround for the stove- but the same is true for any standard split wood plate stove or pellet stove ( exception being those with stone or cast iron plates for that purpose to limited degree). It has a pretty good efficiency rate sans cats or reburn tubes. as cord wood burner it is a batch heater but heck when I am at home I treat my NC30 about the same way. Yes I can stuff the 30 full and I do when at my shop all day = using the pellet hopper on the liberator or other pellet stoves or putting your cord wood stove on a low burn rate.
    I did think about it recently for heating my basement- 6" flue would run me apx $3000, course a pellet stove would be cheaper on the flue side but the stoves in general are more costly with a lot of maintenance ( liberator being more along the lines of a traditional wood stove, most of that maintenance drops out of the picture)
    just my po and $.02 worth, well a nickel with inflation:p
     
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    i need new glasses....i thought it said "lubricator" :rofl: :lol:
     
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    No Grease needed:salute:
     
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    Well it made it interesting for a moment...I was like "wow! a lubricator rocket stove"!!!

    I still don't know what one is,but it sounded good
     
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    And then sadness and disappointment set in.......
     
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    link works , I see that they have a new web page now, kinda liked the old one a bit better as there was more info on that as to the stove. the news letter links is not working though.