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having trouble with my Harman TL300

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  1. swamp

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    New member here. ...I've been having trouble for quite some time now with my woodstove as far as heat goes. ....when it was professionally installed 3 yrs ago a damper was put in the flue pipe. ..I just removed it this past weekend after I cleaned the creosote filled flue because I was told it shouldn't be there. ..with the damper in I remember getting readings of over 500° at the top of the stove(where the flue comes out of) but it seemed like it was smoldering and the front glass panel was always black and my air intake was damm near fully open. ...now with the damper removed I can see some orange through the glass and can keep hot coals with the air intake nearly closed but my temp has fallen drastically....around 225°.....any help would be appreciated
     
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  2. jdonna

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    How tall is your stack on that tl?

    When I had a harman, that combustor package was prone to ash plugging. The shoe brick and combustor holes get plugged up, a few times I had to remove the back cover and carefully slide out the combustor and gently vacuum the channels out.

    How's it run with it on bypass? If it gets roaring with it in bypass mode, chances are the combustor is plugged or having issues.

    Also, try measuring the fire dome area of that stove if its similar to the oakwood at the top corners, if I recall i'd see 600-800 degrees. I am guessing the installer put a damper in because of the issues out there once the afterburner gets cranking its really hard to keep the temps down.
     
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    I'd say the double wall insulated stainless steel pipe is roughly 20 feet. ...not sure what you mean when you say "bypass"
     
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    Does your stove use a cat?
     
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    O Gosh I hated that stove… It lasted one winter I dumped it lol. It isn't a bad stove in the right setting but downdraft is by nature very finicky. The issue is you need a huge coal bed in the TL300 to keep the combuster hot enough to stay lit and burn. The problem with that is if you have a small amount of downdraft or not enough draft your going to experience exactly what your describing. If you have burned three years this way you will defiantly need a new combuster installed in the stove as it looks like a honeycomb and is very very easy to clog and very fragile.

    The cheapest solution is to do a draft test first and find out if its drafting right. Have a stove shop come out and do it for you and ill bet you need extra pipe added. That stove needs a ton of draft to work right. Ours never did and I went up and down with the chimney before giving up. We had a slew of bad parts in the stove as well and spent a lot fixing it as Harmon simply has zero support which is why we sold it. This is why I say get a dealer to be the middle man…..

    My apologies I don't mean to be negative we had a bad bad experience with it. I think it could be a great stove if everything is figured out. I did get an 18hr burn out of it one time only when there was no wind but only once.
     
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    How dry is your wood?>

    The handle that you bypass the combustor with when loading. Sounds like you have plenty of stack. If you have never cleaned the combustor package and firedome its probably plugged up. If you are very careful removing it you may have luck and not have to replace it. If I remember right that stove needs .06 to .08" of draft to run right.

    Mine would runaway out of control once the combustor lit. Strong draft and dry wood is a bad formula for a harman. Anyways I would agree with Pete, I went through a horrific experience with Harman and the dealer. I lost my shorts on buying that stove new and hardly using it.

    Long story short I would kiss my woodstock soapstone everyday if it wasn't burning 24/7. I almost went back to simple smoke dragons if it wasnt for them.
     
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    Pete, I feel your pain. I feel bad for anyone who has a troubled Harman.
     
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    Guys, swamp is a buddy of mine from work (I don't admit that to just anybody, either):D:rofl: :lol: Anyway, I'm gonna go up and take a look at the stove on Saturday sometime and see if I can help him figure it out but, judging by some of you and your experiences with the stove, it may just be a finicky bastage........

    we're gonna see what the MC is on his firewood and if needed, gonna split it down smaller.......

    do you think smaller splits (for shorter HOTTER fires) would help him get the stove box temps up where it would run better? Or should we just yank that stove our of the house and pitch in in the lake??:zip:
     
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    I really don't mean to be negative but what a pain….

    My buddy has the Oakwood and it works flawless but it took 2 years to figure out the draft issues before that happened. Now that it works good 16hrs is common for him to still be getting heat out of it. I wish I could give better advice but it simply it never got figured out with us and was a royal wast of time and money. Because of that I can't honestly say how to fix it as we could never get ours fixed.

    Harmon not only didn't honor the parts warranty but they started to ignore me when I tried and I finally had to pay for the parts or freeze. The stove shop was just as bad and I lucked into a hardware that carried their stoves and they came 135 miles to look at it free. It got somewhat usable and we fought through winter.

    Not all dealers are bad you may be able to call around and get a helpful dealer that REALLY knows what they are talking about. If they want your future business they will help. I have an excellent dealer now that I wouldn't trade for the world…………………… If I had kept the TL300 I would have 135 miles to the other dealer because they where excellent.
     
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    Trip to woodstock would solve all those problems!

    I'd say check the MC and verify the stack and cap are clean and give that shoe brick and combustor a good cleaning. Just be super careful with the combustor it is fragile one poke with a sharp tool or finger nail it crumbles. Treat it like fine china.
     
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    Scotty try to build a BIG coal bed at least 4 inches deep then load it up. If you do that it may light the cumbustor off and run. It sounds like a mini jet when its going and you'll hear it. If that don't work draft test and if that don't work dynamite! As for cleaning the combuster DONT it will flake apart as its housed in a fiberglass type material and the combuster has the strength of thick paper. If you break it your screwed its expensive.
     
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    I was blessed with a barely used woodstock fireview that needed rebuilding from the owner running it in bypass when I was suffering with the harman, all said and done I had a like new woodstock for less than a grand.
     
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    I had mine out on the oakwood successfully two times, maybe lucky or maybe it was put in slightly differently than the tl300.
     
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    Its basically the same but when we removed ours it literally disintegrated. Interesting as it wasn't even three months old and we had very dry wood… The Harmon Rep told us to remove it and check it out over the phone and then when it fell apart they said we voided the warranty by removing it! :confused: Ok I'm gonna go away now this is boiling my blood they are the worst company I have ever dealt with! :whistle:I hate seeing others go through it too…. You are offering far better advice than I am. :rofl: :lol:
     
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    I'm biting my tounge and staring at my fireview chanting its ok its ok its ok now
     
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    Im shaking on the floor holding my head giggling! :D
     
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    Well honestly that is why these forums are so important to get real world opinions, reviews and advice. Woodstove shopping is similar to mattress shopping. It's frightening to see how many places sell stoves and the salesman has never owned or burned wood outside of the stove shop.
     
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    I bought it from a stove shop that burned a PE T6 HMM.. Didn't really think about it at the time but they where a Harmon dealer not a PE dealer. Anyways Back on topic which means I need to shut up! :zip::zip::zip::whistle:
     
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    I fell in love with a stove on craigslist, decent deal. Thank goodness I could get real world opinions here. I did not buy it.
     
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