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Fresh Split Wood...Cover or Let it Air out????

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by Nicholas62388, Feb 29, 2016.

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  1. Nicholas62388

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    I know I will be told to check around on the forum for the answer...but I constantly check. I like the opinions/thoughts currently...Some say don't cover and that when it does get wet, it drys quickly, some say cover it but just the top.....I let wood sit in my garage for two years with no sun or circulation and it was still wet when I used it. I also let few pallets sit out with wood without a cover at all and even thru summer, it was still wet and sizzled in the Winter when I used it. I thought about making a "Pallet House" with 3 sides and the one side open to protect it more from rain and wet....Thoughts and input and opinions please.
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  2. Wisconsin Woody

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    I would leave this sitting out exposed to the elements. A sunny and windy spot would give you the best results. Maybe top cover in the fall or cover in clear plastic for a solar kiln effect.
     
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    Howdy Nicholas, I'm only in my second year of burning as a middle aged old man, but this year when I have used covered wood my winter has been a heck of a lot easier than when I had uncovered wood in 2014. Both years so far I've only been able to season for six months for the beginning of the season, not nearly enough to get it as dry as I should. This year hasn't been too bad so far, with not a lot of pieces sizzling in the stove, and not much difficulty at all in getting the fire started. In 2014 I had pieces that got punky and just weren't as dry as my stacks this heating season.

    We used to do the worst practice you can do when I was a kid. Got our wood delivered in the fall and had a tarp entirely covering the stack to keep the snow off. It also kept all the moisture in. I'm surprised I ever came back to burning wood, since it's awful hard to burn H2O, and it was a pretty miserable experience.
    I'm looking forward to burning two year old split, covered and stacked wood in 2016-17. :axe:
     
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    I never thought about that Wisconsin Woody a clear plastic so it can still get sunlight but away from rain
     
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    burndatwood how much do you cover it?? Just the top or completely( cause you said when u completely cover it, it holds moisture in) so what did you do different this time but still covering it...I just want dry wood, cause when i buy dry wood from giant it heats the house up so much more then wet wood does
     
  6. Wisconsin Woody

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    Nicholas - if you search around on this forum there are quite a few posts about passive solar kilns. I have a few greenhouses, and can testify that on a sunny day, even in the heart of winter, temperatures under clear plastic get very high. Plastic in the summer time can easily raise temperatures up into the <100 degree area.
     
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    Just top covering. I have a big tarp, but have a buddy who is giving me some old tin roofing, which should be even better.
     
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    Depends on the weather for me. If I split and it's gonna rain for a week, I'll throw a tarp over a pile. I make sure to leave some breathing room around the bottom. My tarps have some holes in them to further help circulation. Fresh piles are where my tarps go to die. It's been pretty mild lately, so the stuff from last two weekends is sitting uncovered. Lots of wind and some sun surely have done it some good. I let my wood season a bit in large piles before stacking. A loose hand thrown mound will dry faster than a tight stack.

    Rule of thumb with a tarpaulin is you don't want it to sweat. That's when our old friend mold shows up.
     
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    I had a hard time picking either option since I would pick top cover only so it can air out. This really depends on your location so there is no right or wrong answer. Im a fan of top covering and would prefer to stay away from tarps like in my picture but despite being a pain they do work for the most part. Rubber or metal roofing or even ply wood and lumber wrap are better options . Of course a wood shed would be the best for when your wood is dry to keep it out of the elements. IMG_4876.JPG
     
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    Personally I think it comes down to personal preference, location or what you have available with the resources at your disposal. In 60+ years of burning I've always had the fortune of a wood shed. The only wood I stack outside is that which is unworthy to be burnt in the house. We call it 'chit'-wood and is burned only in the shop stove.
    Well on a couple occasions I did get more than the woodshed would hold and had to stack on the outside, but it was covered with weighted tin until a wood shed extension was built right over top of the stack.

    Rain water does in fact evaporate quickly, but if its not in there to begin with, you don't hafta worry about letting it get out.... As suggested above whatever you choose, do it with adequate airflow in mind and you'll be stellar.

    A wise man once said: "Boy, there's more than one way to peel an orange....and to dry wood too."
     
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    I think that pretty much sums it up right there.
     
  12. Nicholas62388

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    I still can't decide I been staring at my pallets and little prototype house/shed I want to build to store my wood but I feel it's a useless idea to build this
     

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    I personally top cover once a full row is finished. I have about a cord that is not all done yet so it sat out all winter uncovered. I don't suppose it makes much of a difference yet. I just want the wood I'm gonna use that winter to stay dry from September till it's used.
     
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    Beautiful stacks man :thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    I stack in a pole barn. It is covered from rain and open to air. Works well for me. If there was one method that was head and shoulders better than the rest, I think we would have converged on it by now. Open air is popular, top covered only is also popular. Choice may well be dependent on local conditions regarding frequency of rain and/or snow.

    Garage with no air circulation is likely to take a very long time for the wood to dry. If your laundry won't dry there, your wood probably won't either. Regarding the outside stacks, it may be as much an issue of time as an issue of how your are stacking. It looks like you've got some pretty good sized splits; they take time to dry.
     
  16. Nicholas62388

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    I ended up leaving them uncovered,I tried the tarp on top of the old old wood thats been sitting out for years in elements uncovered, but I knew it would fly off....I have both new pile and old pile out uncovered..Were suppose to get some rain tonight or one of the next few days. I stood in my garage all day staring at the pallets and decided I'm not making a pallet storage thing....
     

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    Nicholas, you are from Bucks County. Not sure if I'm correct or not but that sounds like PA to me. If so, you live in a very wet area! Our oldest son used to live in that county and now lives a bit west of Reading. I can hardly believe all the rain they get there. If it were me, I would most definitely top cover the wood as soon as it gets stacked. Top covering with a hard cover is best but tarps can work if that is all you have. We used to use some tarps and got by but we also had many years to dry the wood before it is used.

    Now why would someone top cover or not top cover? Why would someone just put the wood in a closed shed, etc? Good questions.

    To me, if the wood is outdoors it most definitely should be top covered, unless you live in an extremely dry climate, like most areas of Arizona. But most of those areas don't need a whole lot of wood to burn either.

    But why top cover? First and foremost is that your wood will dry faster and stay dry. Second is that if you don't top cover, the wood still will dry and burn but it will not be a good of quality and not give you the maximum btu's that are in the wood. We say this from experience and experiments. Not that long ago we did our final experiment with not covering the wood. Yes, it burned well after 3 years outdoors. However, it most definitely was not quality firewood. There was a huge difference between that wood and wood that had been top covered for less time. Simply put, it lost a lot of quality. Yes, many still do not cover the firewood and they are satisfied that it burns well but do not realize how much better the wood will be if they handle it better. It would also mean they would have less work to do if they top covered the wood.

    Also if you put green wood in a shed, it will dry eventually but one must remember that air circulation is the biggest key to drying wood. Sun is really good too but not as important as good air circulation. From experiments and experience we found that we could dry wood very well even if it was in the shade full time, so long as it was stacked off the ground and had air all the way around the stacks.

    Experience has also proven that one does not have to stack in single rows (but it can help a little if the wood is needed to dry really fast). We routinely stack 3 or more rows together. Some say the center row won't dry as quickly as the outside rows. Hum. Sounds good but wait! Let's say we stack the wood in rows of 3 or rows of 5 or even more and each row is stacked at the same height. If the middle rows did not dry at the same rate, then it should not take long before the center rows would be taller than the outside rows. For example, most times we stack wood at 4 1/2' in height. Stacking the wood in early April usually finds the wood stacks around 4' in height come October. This is due to moisture leaving the wood and it shrinks. Why do the middle rows shrink at the same rate as the outside rows if they are not losing moisture at the same rate? One can further prove this point by finding several splits from the same tree that weigh very close to the same weight. Leave them in the stack 6 months or up to a year and then weigh them again. Find out if there is a difference in weight between the interior and exterior of the stacks.

    You mention about the sides of the stacks and perhaps making a pallet side. Okay, but it is a waste of time. If water is going to get into the wood, it will do from the top. When rain or snow hits the sides of the wood, almost all of it will simply run off. Wood is not a sponge. Only the very edge of the wood on the sides of that stack will get hit with the rain and only the very edge will be wet. Usually within 24-48 hours following a big driving rainstorm all that little bit of moisture will evaporate.


    Now speaking of evaporation. We do not live in a wet area and we feel that by not top covering the wood stacks that first summer that it will allow for better evporation of the moisture. By fall, the wood has lost a good portion of that moisture and before snow starts piling up on the wood stacks, this is when we top cover. Then we simply forget about the wood for a few years and it burns wonderfully.

    Good luck.

    For further reference, check here:

    Primer on Woodburning by Backwoods Savage | Firewood Hoarders Club

    or here:

    http://firewoodhoardersclub.com/documents/Primer on Wood Burning.pdf
     
  18. Nicholas62388

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    UHHH u made me run twenty minutes back to my moms to cover all the hard work I did today with the wood lol
     
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    you should add the above to your primer Backwoods Savage. :thumbs::thumbs: excellent material ! :salute: it's hard here in the northeast to educate the hardwood snobs. i see so many piles between trees uncovered and people burning this years cuttings or rounds. when you say 3 years to dry after being split and stacked under some cover they look at you like you are from mars.
     
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