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First firing 2011 Empyre elite 100 gasser

Discussion in 'OWB's and Gasification Boilers' started by supersparks, Nov 4, 2014.

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    In the crate until this year. I installed it in my milk house. Along with a heat exchanger then connected it to my smoke Dragon and installed 3 way valves to my house and shop to have less heat loss from my under ground piping. Its an older version so I e-mailed profab and they sent me updated changes I completed them in about two hours. The boiler was up to temperature before I could clean up my mess. Boiler 175° boiler return 167°. loop 171° house return 140° 20141104_171943.jpg which is setpoint.
     

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    Sorry about the extra pics still learning attaching files and previewing.
     
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    very nice. practice with more pics!
    any storage? how is you system plumbed while incorporating the oil boiler?
     
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    I have a natural gas furnace with a 200,000 btu heat exchanger and auto change over. With 250' Rahu pex to the house and 150' to my shop. I also have an Empyre 250 outdoor wood boiler which will be my backup, it is also piped into my heat loop in the milkhouse. I'm trying to figure out how to pipe it for storage and feed with only two underground pipes. When I find a suitable tank (free) I will be adding storage.
     
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    Ooooo....pretty
     
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    Very nice! Gotta love a gasifier.Looks like your getting a pretty good secondary burn.
     
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    Congrats superspark! Let er rip!

    Pics of boiler (s) from outside?
     
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    I'm still running conduit for lights and power. Everything is on cords and still have a little mess going in the boiler room. Work keeps getting in the way of my fun.The elite already seems easier on the wood then the smoke Dragon. Which I turned off Tuesday and it's still smoking with rally bad smell I think it's trying to get back at me for semi retiring it.
     
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    Almost a month now I'm definitely using about 1/2 the wood of my natural draft smoke Dragon. But I need to clean it at least once a week. I mean a total brushing last time I even vacuumed it. But you can see the efficiency drop the longer you run. And you must be very careful how you load it so you don't have the wood bridge.
    The company does not want any storage hooked up. But I think I will be short on btu's at -10° without storage. Still looking to add storage can't find the right tank at the right price. For now my smoke Dragon is piped in series for help if needed
    One other thing why do I have sunglasses on my posts?
     
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    Glad to hear things are going well supersparks. Storage will make things nicer. Why does the company not want any storage hooked up? A.H.S. says you don't need storage with their design as well. But I think they are making a mistake and should offer it as an option.

    Even if you can find a tank big enough to use as a buffer. My 400 gallons really helps to "buffer" for the boiler when things start getting really cold. And it is good to have in the shoulder seasons when not much heat demand. When I have the boiler and tank up to 190 I can shut the boiler off coast for a while on that for DHW.

    If you keep an eye open for "air receiver tank" in your searching you may come across something. Unfortunately they are usually expensive. I picked up my 400 gallon tank for about $625 if I remember correctly. Expensive, but worth it. Here is one, 500 gallon, on ebay for an example.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/500-gallons...728?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ade624b90

    If you can find one, receiver tanks are clean and already have fittings on them. So no cleaning and welding/fitting required.

    Good luck man and keep us posted.
     
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    I work for an HVAC company and have been looking for a good takeout. By the time I hear about it the guys have cut them up and scrapped them. Alot of them are large bladder tanks with bad bladders that our guys just replace the tank because usually the bad bladder blocks the drain and rusts in tight. But with the mixing valves on both the house and shop loops with outdoor air reset I think that helps alot. My boiler limit is factory set at 180° thats the problem with an open system you can't push the 200° temp without boil overs.
     
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    I found a1000 gal propane tank for $425 80 miles from me. If I can fit it in the door i'll cut it in half weld plates on the ends and stand them on end to get my storage. I cleaned the boiler durning half time of the Packer game. I seem to get a lot of ash but maybe that's why they call the wood i'm burning ash. Now clean boiler warmer boiler.
     
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    +1 on the storage. In addition to getting some time in between firing you will have to clean it less often because it will not idle. I bought 2 330 gallon propane tanks for 500 delivered. I put 2 gallons of bleach in each one and filled them with water, let them site like that for a month or so and repeated. No smell at all. Stacked on top of each other they stratify very well. Today 20 hours after my burn finished the top of the top tank was at 175 and the bottom of the bottom tank was 120.
     
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    That is a great price supersparks!
     
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    I wonder if a flat plate (welded end) will be ok at operating pressure's? 25psi ish? Anyone know?
     
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    My boiler is open so I wouldn't have much pressure. I would use 3/8 or 1/2 inch steel plate because I would need to install legs so I could insulate under the tank. I may put a water to water heat exchanger in so the tank can be taller then the boiler then maybe run ten PSI. I may just leave the tank in the barn on its side but I think the stratification would be iffy and require a lot of copper pipe and insulation.
     
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    Nice! Its amazing how much more heat you get from a gasser when it is....installed. I kept talking to a gentleman with an Atmos on another forum whos family was freezing while he looked at a crated boiler in the basement. You are about 10 miles from me, enjoy the heat.
     
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    If you can set the tank/tanks vertical in your milkhouse that would be better. Years ago a person could get heavy steel for free, not so much anymore at 10 cents a pound scrap.
     
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    Hey neighbor
    I bought it from a guy from New York in a divorce sale. Saved a couple grand but I have no warranty. So I have to treat it right. My return water to the boiler never drops below 145°. One draw back to having it in the milkhouse is the heat it gives off would help heat the house. I only burn ash and can store over one cord in the milkhouse and the heat from the boiler pulls out a ton of moisture in a very short time. Right now i'm burning EAB killed ash. Have about 20 years worth. Sure dries fast. going to start stacking it in the barn so it doesn't rot.