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Extending burn time on wheat.

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  1. Chickenman

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    Following our attempt to run a cleaner glass I have found another good side effect.
    Check out the youtube video....

     
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    That clinker :bug:
     
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    But you own a harman........ No worries!!

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    But when I owned a St. Croix, which introduced me to clinkers, I never could have imagined one that large could develop.
     
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    Dont forget we are burning wheat guys. Totally different beast to pellets.
    THe bigger the clinker the better as there is no ash being blown out like pellets.
    We did try stirrer stoves but you just end up with buckets of waste. Consolidating it into clinker is the best way to go.
    Guys running corn tend to have a second burn pot as the clinker goes so hard that it is impossible to get out while hot.
     
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    Why some of the stoves like the bixby has a self dumping pot. Corn and grain clinkers take a manual removal otherwise. Something many don't wanna do(over here anyway), Mixers eliminate the clinker or at least bust it up. Yes, more messier, But hands free for the most part.

    I've burnt my share of grains, And will still chose the mixer. Mostly burn wood pellets, But even with cruddy grains/grass/pits ect. I don't need to keep an eye out for dirty burn as the mixer keeps the burnpot air passages free. Literally no touch for about a full ton even with crap wood pellets.
     
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    Ditto
     
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    We would use the wood pellets too if they weren't $1,000/ton.
    AS wheat and other grains or woody wastes are usually under $25o/ton we are stuck with the extra work. Pellets are easy and if they were only say $100/ton dearer than the alternatives I would use them every time. With the current price difference you either do the extra work or win lotto and buy pellets.

    These never made it over here. It is the best way but from what I can glean the machine was very complicated and too expensive. That is only the feeling I get having never seen one.
    We had Seraph stoves with the stirrer. The amount of waste was awful as it is light and fluffy, probably a product of our fuel. Went back to manual clinker removal. The difference was 2 ashpans of fluffy crud compared to one cigarette packet sized clinker per day.
    As you can see in the videos clinker removal is easy as our pot just flips over and it falls out. Much better than our older stoves where you needed to dig the clinker out with a tool. It is not perfect but it is simple and can be done in a couple of minutes.
    The corn guys have a 2nd pot as the clinker won't fall out while hot so they just swap the pots over

    We just need you guys to send some of your cheap pellets and everything will be hunky dory.
     
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    Out here it is a badge of achievement for big clinkers. Like growing giant pumpkins...
    Here is the one I pulled out today after 20 hours. Mighty proud of this bad boy. 44lbs of wheat reduced to this 6 oz behemoth.
    IMG_20170905_132150.jpg IMG_20170905_132212.jpg IMG_20170905_132744.jpg

    The white stuff on the base of the unbroken clinker at the top is the paper pellets we use as the ignition source. It leaves a bit too much residue so this time I am just using wood pellets to light which should let the clinker get even bigger.
    The bottom pic is the clinker broken in half. That formation is almost perfect :thumbs:
     
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    This is just showing how the flame is disrupted by the front baffle plate in the Nero on wheat. We are definitely seeing a longer burn time from between 19 and 24.5 hours depending how hard the stove is running. I believe this is because the plate is reflecting heat back into the pot helping to keep the clinker at a higher temperature. We have reduced our feed settings 0.1 seconds lower and the stove is still running perfect on low whereas it would normally go out. Also the glass is much cleaner and has only had a simple wipe in this video after 21 hours of running.

     
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    Looks good.
    Not sure why it needs such a big window as that would waste heat if the unit was installed externally. Our experience has been that 50,000btu is an inbetween size that doesn't really suit. Our smaller 30,000 units are good inside then buyers want to go up to external boilers of 100,000 or higher. We have some importers of Turkish units here now and these boilers are great. The simplicity and robustness is outstanding. The main supplier here is Hargassner and while their units are outstanding the complexity and cost is mindboggling. I just love the plain thinkin of the Turks. Whilst I love working with the Chinese, their boilers are terrible and not much cheaper than the Turks. I am thinking of getting one of these to play with;

    Superior Boilers: Australian agents for Çetík - wood & pellet fired multi fuel boilers
     
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    Those clinkers look like my Fahrenheit was burning rye seeds. The Auto dump would dump every 4hrs or 8hrs(IIRC) and my ash pan would fill up fast enough.

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    Is that what we call rye corn?
    Can the stove autolight and auto relight the grain?
    What sort of $$ are these Fahrenheits worth?
     
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    Rye seeds just like wheat but shorter.
    Not sure on the Auto lighting works on grain, never tried it. Your cakes are much thicker due to the longer burn times.
     
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    My beast with the pressure igniter will auto light wheat,rye and heck even bunny poo.

    Its an electric torch with a air pump, Acts just like a blow torch. I'll post details if you are interested.
     
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    yep that would be good.
    Have looked at a higher temp igniter for our stoves but the tube is to narrow to fit the wider unit.
    Any idea of the Farrenheit price?
     
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    The Englander 10-cpm that I had will burn (and ignite) just about anything. Back when Jay T, Schoondog, and I were messing around with grass, grass/wood, and even coffee pellets, the stove would ignite & burn them all. It was designed for wood pellets, corn, and even cherry pits. If I remember what Mike Holton told me, the ignitor was 500- 550 watts. Was also a "pressure" type, with an air pump blowing super heated air over the burning material.
     
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