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Ember protection hearth?

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by CenterTree, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. CenterTree

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    My hearth is about 8 inches too shallow (back to front) to get the 16" front floor coverage needed.
    The Alderea T5 calls for "ember protection only" for the hearth.

    My question is:

    Can a MOVABLE hearth extension pad be added and still be legit?

    By "movable" I mean something that will only be in place during the heating season and then tucked away the rest of the year. Something such as a piece of tempered glass or even a flexible pad or flame proof rug?? Or a tiled board?

    In the literature for the Alderea T5 I see nothing specific stating the required ember protection be PERMENANT or fastened to the floor. Advice?? Thanks.
     
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    Definitely sounds like a grey area. If I used a moveable piece I'd want it to start under the stove to avoid any cracks for coals to fall into. And be fairly stable so it doesn't shift causeing someone to trip and fall into the got stove.
     
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    I've got a movable pad. My town needed a certified chimney sweep to certify my installation when I bought the house to get my CO. He made me get a hearth pad and said I can pick it up and put it away at the end of the season. Once I bought it and put it on the floor he came back and signed off.
     
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    Thanks. Yes, I too am concerned about a possible "gap" between the movable pad and the actual stone hearth.
    Not sure what I can do with this situation. (short of adding more stone work).

    The hearth is 8 inches high. Adding more stone (laying flat on the floor) may pose a "toe-stubbing" area likewise.:(
     
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    Thanks for that info.
    I don't want it to be a trip hazard though. Not sure what to do about that. How do you keep yours firmly in place? Any tricks?

    As an alternative now, I am thinking about a piece of tempered glass (with beveled edging).
    Maybe I can let it be more permanent (and eliminate a gap and any sliding) by setting it in against the hearth with a continuous bead of silicon?
    Maybe even some silicon under the front edge too. Just to keep in firm and the dust from seeping under the glass.:confused:

    The stone hearth is set on hardwood flooring.

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    Wondering if your hearth being that high would negate this rule? The T-5 is designed primarily as a north-south loading stove and I haven't had problems with logs rolling out.. I think if you secured a non-flammable hearth pad extension you'd be fine and it likely will never get hot that far from the stove due to the 8" hearth height..

    Before I installed my T-5 I ripped out and replaced my hearth but my hearth is low to the floor..

    Ray
     
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    We have a full glass hearth pad over our wood floor. It looks really nice, BUT, we have found out that all sorts of dirt gets under there and can't be removed / cleaned. Also, there is a little bit of water, again, it's stuck there. So, if you want to add extra ember protection with glass, make sure it is relatively easy to remove and clean under ("semipermanent") rather than making it truly "permanent." Just food for thought based on my humble experience.
     
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    I understand what you mean about the heat not really being much of an issue with the height.
    But, I suspect that the 16" rule is more so for embers that may spit out when the door is opened. Is that right?
     
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    That really hasn't been a problem here.. I would think a simple hearth extension made with cement board and ceramic tile would be more than adequate..
     
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    The stone hearth sits on hardwood and the hardwood continues in front.
    I need to extend ember protection about 10" more.

    I think I will look into the idea here of tile (or more stone) on CBU (cement board).
    Not ruling out the tempered glass idea though.:confused:
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    You might want to consult with your local building inspector, since he/she will be the final say. (great looking hearth there!)
     
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    Mike that T5 looks very sharp in white.
    Who's your PE dealer?
    Are you satisfied with your stove. (not to derail my own thread...lol)
     
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    Sending you a PM.
     
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    I'm super satisfied, especially after adding the blower. However, do note that this winter was unusually warm and it was my first year burning wood for heat.
     
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    Thanks everyone!:smoke:
     
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