Clearview and other English/European stoves: Air controls You control

In another thread some guys were posting pictures/videos of rolling blue secondaries.

One gentleman posted a video of his Clearview stove (English made) which showed some impressive rolling blue secondaries.

After going to the Clearview website and scrolling all the way to the bottom and watching the last video...which showed something I’ve mentioned wanting to see on American made stoves, that being not just one lever to control the air/burn cycle of the stove, but two levers allowing the user to fully customize the burn for his stove with his wood.

Full adjustment on one side of the stove for primary air...AND...Full adjustment on the other side for secondary air...with the ability to fully close both air supplies if needed to totally shut down a stove if needed in an emergency should you have to leave your home and had back-up heat to do so.

I realize some stoves in this country, even with only one air adjustment control, CAN totally shut down THAT stove. Just remember, not all stoves made in America or Canada have this feature. Once you start some stoves they must burn out on their own. The ability to shut a stove down in a hurry though is not the focus of this thread.

I want to focus on talking about the ability of the English made Clearview stove to allow the user full control over the burn of his own stove. Not the EPA or manufacture being dictated to by our EPA.

In 2022 England, like the U.S. in 2020, is implementing new stove regulations. I have not looked into these.

The point, is that both England and Europe already have stringent regulations in place governing how new stoves can and are to function.
Quite possibly, some of these regulations are already more stringent than our own current and pending new regulations.

Some of these stoves have to be certified smoke free as some of the communities require it. Huh? Yet, how can this be while still allowing the user full control over the entire burn rate of his stove via a primary control lever and a secondary control lever. That’s not a question, rather, a statement.

The question is: Why can’t our EPA allow us the same controls? Hasn’t England and Europe been at the forefront of clean air/water...global warming bell ringing? At least Europe has to a great extent.

If those countries, already as stringent as they are, can give ‘Joe Consumer’ the ability to control their own stove, then why can’t the EPA/Gov’t give us the same?

Doesn’t some responsibility of a proper burn, or how fast or slow a burn rely on the user, in the moment, rather than a controlling agency that only does testing in a lab setting. Another statement, not a question.

Go to the Clearview website, scroll down to the bottom to the last video and watch how that stove operates. You will see total control...by amounts...of both primary AND secondary air.

Wouldn’t you like to have this sort of control built into your modern stove while still being able to meet the demands of no smoke and cleaner air?

Companies like Woodstock, Blaze King, Lopi, Kuma, and a few others are really pushing the boundaries with their stove technology...many ahead of and surpassing regulations before they come into effect. However, our Gov’t and the EPA isn’t giving these manufacturers much leeway, nor are they trusting, let alone educating, consumers and putting the responsibility of burning clean on their shoulders.

I would love to see some U.S. manufacturers producing a stove with similar controls as the Clearview so I can fine tune the burn of my stove, in my house, with my wood, under my current conditions, whatever they may be. I don’t think a stove tested in a lab like that can meet real world scenarios as a stove with infinite adjustment.

Heck, only a few stoves are actually being tested with cord wood. Most use kiln dried wood, or crib wood. I suppose to give a better representation they all should be tested with all three woods. I would think that would give the most detailed results.

What do you think of the controllability of the Clearview stove?

‘How to’ video, Clearview owners videos and Clearview Showroom videos | Videos Scroll all the way to the bottom.

 

They refer to the control as secondary air but I see nothing about tubes or anything in the stove to actually burn the secondary’s?

 

That is correct, they didn’t really show a lot in that video. Not as much as I would have liked.

Take a look at these secondaries. Can’t see the tubes in this one either or how the stove works, but it’s impressive non-the-less.

 

I can’t see any tubes/jets in mine. From what I can see the ‘secondary’ air control draws air in from underneath the stove which then gets preheated around the firebox before being discharged from a thin slot above the door - this doubles up as the air wash. There is a baffle plate at the top of the firebox which I presume slows down the exhaust gases before they go up the flue. It seems to work ok and I don’t see any visible smoke from the chimney once it’s up to temp. Happy to provide more info if it’s of any interest to anyone, I’ve been curious about the EPA stoves you have over the pond and find it all quite interesting

 

Thanks for the info. Good looking stoves you have. These are my secondaries burning in my Woodstock ideal steel.

 

Those don't appear to be DEFRA nor ECO emission compliant stoves.
The rules change in 2022 and ALL areas will only be able to sell ECO stoves. No more zone crap.

Many Euro/UK stoves are multi-fuel and have a coal/large wood pellet input control

 

Correct, it will be interesting to see the results when tested for eco design. You can buy them with a smoke control kit at the moment. I’ve not seen one but I believe the baffle is slightly different and there is a stop on the air control lever to stop you shutting it down fully