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Chimney fire question.

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by swags, Nov 28, 2013.

  1. swags

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    So I loaded up the stove for a night burn. I've been burning the stove hotter since the weather got older. So I almost went to bed but decided to stay up for a bit, thank God for that. I noticed a smell of something burning and went to look. Immediately noticed to hatbox could see through the vent the inside of he triple wall chimney was glowing red and I could hear a rushing sound in the chimney. So I shut down the air all the way to cool the temps on the stove and chimney. Stove had been cruising at 650-700. The chimney was at 1400. Nothing coming out of the top of the chimney but could smell it outside. Temps went down on the stove and chimney and I think I'm out of the water for now. Chimney will be cleaned in the morning but my question is what did that do to my insulated liner? Will a chimney fire destroy the liner?
     
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    I had a fire in mine several years ago.
    Metal- Bestos stack, was ok.
    Clean & inspect
    Shine in a good bright light , then
    with your digital camera on record , lower
    It down
    Review the video

    A chimney sweep might have a snake camera for an inspection

    Betting you caught it in time & it's ok
     
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    I honestly don't think it lasted more than a few minutes, glad I was awake to catch it.
    And definitely getting a cleaning in the morning!
     
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    I read that it is important to check for warping, buckling, and ruptures to any seams in the liner. Have it inspected by a qualified chimney sweep. And make sure there are no separations at the junction points of chimney sections.
     
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    Yikes!! Hope all is well. So is it a liner or a chimney pipe!??
     
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    Sean, how did you have a chimney fire so early in the season? Especially if you are burning hot and with good seasoned wood? The rushing air sound is definitely a chimney fire.
     
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    Stuff I'm burning now was all cut and stacked in 2011, but much of it is slab wood and is a mix of woods. Every once in a while I will find a piece of it not seasoned so well that hisses. But i ever thought a piece here and there mixed into the good stuff would make a difference. Also I'm wondering if the shoulder season with the new princess contributed. Learning a new cat stove and having lower stack temps probably didn't help either.
     
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    Yea but lower flue temps with less smoke going up it so less to creosote.
     
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    Perhaps there was a nest of some sort in there? Glad you got up. Keep us posted, maybe camera down the chimney as Dave suggested and post it here. More eyes the better! Good Luck!
     
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    Sean get a good insured chimney sweep that way if there is an issue they will find it. We had a small fire years back and the flue hit 1500 when the chimney sweep a me out they had a neat little camera that had a light and a control so they could shoot 360. Our chimney was rated for 2200F or something like that so all was well but if there had been an issue I doubt I would have found it. The $150 I paid for the inspection was worth the safety of our family. Glad your ok Sean!
     
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    Ill get someone out here to check it out. I swept out the chimney and really didn't get much of anything out of it. I assume the fire burned up a bit of the buildup but will be checking it once a month from now on. Most of the wood I'm burning this year is primo but there is some marginal mixed in there. Hard thing is the marginal is slab wood mixed in with other slab wood that is good so cant really pick out the bad from good. Not much of that left so should be burned up in the next few weeks. Ill check the chimney again when its all gone and from then on out I should be all good.
     
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    A little story about flue gas temps... Some years back I ran into the same thing with my gasafication boiler in my out building... The big thing was to not see flue gas temps over 300 degrees or you were wasting heat , not letting the heat exchangers absorb all the heat, so the thing was to slow the draft or the shutter openings on the fans... Well by doing that what finally happened down the road was my chimney cap caught on fire from one of my hot start up fires... Luckily my building had a metal roof and there was snow on the ground.. So after this I said screw it and always like to see at least 400 on the flue gases minimum... I'll sacrifice some heat for a nice clean chimney. My wood was all dry, 18% on average.. Now on my Progress Hybrid I see flue temps of 400-500 and know I'm not going to have chimney issues. Glad you caught it!...
     
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    Cat stoves need dry wood to burn on medium to low.

    Burn the higher moisture wood on high for 30 minutes to an hour before engaging the cat.
    This burns (evaporates) most of the moisture out of the wood. It also keeps
    the exhaust gasses at a higher temp all the way up the chimney , & it won't condense into creosote.(as much)

    Wetter the wood: hotter the fire needs to be to burn,
    more frequent cleaning is needed,
    burn more wood & get less usable heat
    more air pollution

    Great thread,
    enforces the need to inspect & clean the chimney often,
    especially new systems & new burners.
    With all the talk about dry wood, it takes some learning to know what "DRY WOOD" is.

    Hope this makes everyone go out & inspect their chimney ;)

    Shoulder season burns are creosote makers if the wood is marginal.
    Low, slow cooler burns, more flue gasses condensate inside the stack.
    Many burn their junk wood, less dry stuff, just the opposite of what should be done. :)
     
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    Dave's idea with the camera is good. You can even fasten a small flashlight onto the camera so that you get good clear pictures. By the sounds of it, you should be good but it always has to be checked.
     
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    I'm surprised you'd have an issue after the bypass was closed. Once the bypass is closed the stack temps stay pretty reasonable, I'm surprised it would get hot enough to light off any crap that may be in the chimney. What number were you burning on when it happened? I'd also expect some burned up "pop corn" type stuff if the chimney lite off, did you see anything like that?

    I clean my stack a few times a season, the Princess doesn't burn nearly as clean as my non cat Endeavor did.
     
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    rdust, glad to see you.
    Now, back to our regular programming.
     
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    Was burning on 3 stove top was around 650 when it happened, the stuff I got out of the chimney wasn't popcorn stuff just flaky black
     
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    Popcorn either burned or there was not a fire just a huge fire running up pipe
     
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    You burn the stove on 3? That's cranking! I've never had to burn anything hotter than the "o" on normal once the load is burned in no matter the outside temp. If you have to burn it that hot the Princess may be undersized for you. My stove on 3 is a raging inferno I'd never be comfortable leaving it on 3 for anything more than 5-10 minutes on a fresh load. I'd probably try to stay in the "normal" range going forward.

    I don't think Todd had a blower on it, did you add one? If not that is a huge help in moving the heat. I usually run my stove around 1 3/4 and use the blower to regulate heat output.
     
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    Thanks! Finally broke down and signed up. I told my wife I wouldn't sign up on another forum but I couldn't help myself any longer. :rofl: :lol: