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Breckwell P22 Blower

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by KatwillNY, Oct 26, 2013.

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  1. KatwillNY

    KatwillNY

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    Hey all,
    My 10 year old stove has developed a loud constant noise which seems to be emanating from the blower fan. The reason i think its the blower fan is because the noise doesnt start until after the stove has gone through the light up process. I took the side panel off and tightened the screws that attach the fan to the unit and it seems to have helped some but its still louder than normal. I tinkered with the plastic cover on the fan which kinda moves left and right and that also seems to directly affect the noise. The part number on it is 70211207 and the manufacturer is Fasco. I searched online but the ones I found are over 200$. Ugh. I may learn to live with the noise unless it gets much louder. The only thing i can describe it to is when a clothes washer is on the spin cycle and its unbalanced. Any thoughts
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    KW
     
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    Hey KW,

    There are after market blowers as long as its the smaller 140 CFM blower. I don't get a cross for the fasco 70211207, But I'm pretty sure this one will work. Might want to snap a pic of it and a clear shot of the label for me just to be sure though. This link also has measurements of the blower that you can cross reference! Hope it works!

    http://www.cshincorporated.com/product_info.php/products_id/4053
     
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  4. KatwillNY

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    Thanks guys. Slvrblkk, I actually took it apart last year and scraped of, litterally had to scrap it off with metal spatula. There was caked on crud on there that must have been building for the last 10 years.
    Jtakeman, I will take the cover off tomorrow and post a pic of it.
    Thanks for the replies. Im really liking the "new" forum.
     
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    Does that blower have oil ports? If so when was the last time you gave them a couple of drops of the proper non detergent oil?
     
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  6. KatwillNY

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    Hey Smokey, I dont know actually if it has oil port, so answer is no i havent dropped oil. How would i know if it does?
     
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    Take a look at the blower motor there should be two oil ports that follow the motor shaft, one at each end of the motor's shell.

    Sometimes these have a plastic plug in them sometimes not. There should be a path between these ports and the motor shaft to direct the oil to the bearings/bushings.

    Also there should be a mention of the oil to use on the motor makers plate.

    The usual oiling frequency and amount is two drops every six months.
     
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    Something like this...
     

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    OK So this is a pic of the blower on my stove. Where the arrows are pointing are those the oil holes you were referring to?
     

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    Looking at it closely, I think it's the 2 in the first pic, above & below the label. The one above the label is full of dust/dirt.

    Seeing that it's kinda dirty anyway, I suggest taking the whole blower assembly out, clean it up with compressed air.

    If you get it cleaned up, put 2 drops in each port.....20w non-detergent oil. 3 in 1 oil will do in a pinch.
     
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  11. KatwillNY

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    Thanks Pete. I will give it a shot tomorrow and take the entire blower apart and blow it. I will look for the oil at Lowes.
     

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    You can get quart of 20W oil at ant gas station… 3 in 1 can be had at any hardware store, too.
     
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    KAtwillNY, That blower is the combustion blower. The link I posted are for the convection blower.
     
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  14. KatwillNY

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    Jtakeman, Ok. thanks. I am going to try to put a few drops of the non detergent oil on the fan see if it helps. Im convinced that the noise is cause by the vibration on the motor.
     
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    This motor uses sealed bearings so let the oil soak on the bearing for a while. I don't think there are oil ports on it, But you should be able to see the bearing on the back of the can and inside where the impeller is. Drop some oil directly on the bearing let is soak and spin it for each bearing. Wipe off any excess when your done.

    It may not fix it, But it should get you through until you can get a new assembly to replace it.

    slvrblkkk,

    I haven't been able to cross the exhaust blowers. And the motor cross only has a 1/4 inch shaft. Some of these specialty blowers made for the stove companies are unique. Specially made for their requirements.

    The one you posted should work fine and is pretty reasonably priced. Should work fine with the fixed speed controller the Breckwell uses. Breckwell does use the 6" blower, So it should be a bolt in swap(no mods required).

    (FYI) I wouldn't try it with a stove that has a variable speed controller though. Variable speed controllers vary voltage, And SPC motors just run full speed. Shaded pole motors are needed on variable speed controllers. Just in case others try to use it on some of the other stoves that do use variable speed combustion blowers. I think they have a note on the site.
     
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    No those are not oil ports. That motor doesn't take oil, sealed bearings.
     
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    I put a couple drops of oil in my bearings too when I clean the stove. Even thought they are sealed, I believe it does seep in.
     
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    Some bearings are just shields to keep big debris out some are seals. If you drop oil on them and it doesn't seem to go in, You might be SOL.

    I have got oil into a sealed bearing with a needle oiling pen. But its tricky if you never have done it! You have to carefully insert the tip between the bearings inner race and the seal lip area.
     
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  20. KatwillNY

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    Thanks guys. Well I took the darn thing apart and cleared out a lot of dust and dirt from the fan. I used compressed air to clean out the dirt and used a small metal spatula to scrape off the build up and rust. I put it back on and the darn thing still vibrates. UGH. I may just order a new motor from the above links. I am going to call FASCO directly tomorrow and see what they say.
     
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