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Stainless steel liner installation

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by logrunner, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. Well Seasoned

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    Those guys are complete idiots!

    Wrong on knocking the clay tile out! There is an air gap between it and the brick or cinder blocks depending on the build. The clay tile is not the structural part of a masonry chimney!

    Stainless will not rust unless it's a really chitty low grade mix.

    Unbelievable! If we made a mistake, it's rare but it happens, we'd make it right! Man if we were closer we'd do it right!
     
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    Its unfortunate that these guys are supposed to be professionals. As was said in another thread not too long ago, if you want it done right you gotta do it yourself most times :picard:
     
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    :headbang:

    I ordered a new dishwasher w S/S tub for remodel a couple years ago. It was in the garage a couple months w remodel delays-it was rusted inside! I was told there were different grades of S/S, higher quality does not rust but the lower quality has other metals in it that do rust (same with refrigerator etc. exteriors, see if a magnet sticks......). Idk, I would believe the orange on your liner is rust, that said, why is water getting in there ?!? I hired a professional chimney sweep in a jamb when we bought this place, waited on the 6 month waiting list (this was our camp originally), he came out, swept all 3 stoves and said they look good. If we had only known how bad things really were. So glad you are getting things in order.
     
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    Not all stainless is non magnetic...some lower grades still are, and even pretty decent grades of SS nuts/bolts can still be magnetic...something about the manufacturing process of nuts/bolts does that I'm told.
    On an unused chimney liner, if it is rusty orange, could be a couple things. Maybe its not SS, or a real low grade...maybe something up top is steel and is dripping rusty water on it...that will give SS the appearance of rust for sure!
    Also, if someone cut steel nearby with an abrasive cut-off wheel and sprayed the sparks onto the SS...that WILL rust....BTDT! :headbang:
    And another thing that can give SS the appearance of rust (probably doesn't apply here) is intense flame...specifically the combustion process. If anyone has seen SS parts that are on the inside of a combustion area of a furnace/boiler (personally only seen this with wood and coal fired) the SS parts will have an orange rusty look to them after a while.
     
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    In my first post, you can see the rock wall around the stove area. That same rock is used for the chimney all the way up and then clay liner inside it. The Amish guy with him, helper, still argued with me about the 600 temp. I told him if you check the site that sells these stoves they say to run them at that temp. He said I still ain't buying it. The pros in my area have not answered there phone all day, unbelievable. One in Batesville Ind. the other in Harrison Oh. I am going to call the owner of the stove shop tomorrow and tell him what the installers said. Also, someone said before the clay was 7x7 and I stated no it's 8x8. The outside is 8x8 but that would make the inside 7x7. I stand corrected. Maybe I should buy a round-trip air ticket for Well Seasoned, probably be worth it.
     
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    I think you're absolutely right about that statement. Well Seasoned could surely fix you up. I can't believe you're having such a hard time getting in touch with anyone else.
     
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    I would call the owners.
     
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    Update, Osterling from Batesville Ind. came today and broke up the clay tile and put insulation around the stainless steel pipe. He is CSIA certified. He saw no reason for all the creosote other than the fact the previous installer did not even clean the chimney out. Drafting problem might be because the stainless pipe is only 13 feet long. He also suggested two 45s instead of one 90 from stove to wall. He said to try it as is and if it doesn't work get a piece of stainless triple wall and install on top giving it 16 feet total. I am going to put two pieces of fireproof insulation under the bottom of the stainless pipe and fill the rest of the old cleanout area with batt insulation. The only thing I don't like is the bottom of the pipe that connects to the tee has lots of movement since the clay tile was removed. Don't know if I can shove any fireproof insulation behind there or not. Be nice if I could secure it somehow. Not sure if it will do any good to take his bill to the first installer or not.
     
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    Use fireproof insulation in any cavity of the chimney- even the clean out door area.

    The liner at the top of the chimney should have what's called a top plate that the liner connects to underneath and the cap on top. This should hold the lounger in place, but you'll have some wiggle at the base.
     
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    I have 2" of movement front to back. Is that normal? Thanks for the info.
     
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    Yes, that's fine. So long as the stove pipe is fastened correctly and 3 screws at every connection
     
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