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You heat pump guys will appreciate this one lol

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  1. billb3

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    That's still not what he went to prison for.
     
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    Prison??
     
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    Which time?...lol...The first imprisonment at San Luis Obispo was a total railroad job. I think he went crazy in solitary there, and has been pushing ludicrous stuff since. Still, his original concept that a very low-boiling point refrigerant could be used to condense and bring heat into a home from the latent heat outdoors, EVEN IN EXTREME COLD was spot on, and is what all heat pumps do.
     
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    This is a happy place, let’s ignore the Dennis Lee items. Let’s talk about wood, chainsaw and splitting. :dex:
     
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    This post is my official nomination for "Post of the Year".:salute::salute:

    Why; because it's the absolute truth!!!!! :D

    I'll try not to get "political" here; but I see a huge problem when our gooberment tells us what's best for us and what we should do!!:headbang::headbang::doh:
     
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    My heat pump for sure can't keep up! The first cold snap in this house with the new heat pump it ran all day and night. Day with stop help it kept it to 65. Night the strips cut on every half hour or hour when the internal dropped to the 2 degrees below set temp and bumped it up and then it started falling again, repeat. I dropped internal temp to low 60s and that still only let it cut off, once it was back on same thing. We were loosing heat faster than it could pump it in. This was like 7 years ago and the units were only a year or so old at that point. They were I am pretty sure 13 seer units. Switched to full time wood that next year. Heat pumps barely have run since.
     
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  8. fuelrod

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    :thumbs: I heat with wood and (mostly) cool with my heat pump :whistle:
     
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    Those units are not going to work in 8* ambient.



    Like anything else, heat pump technology has come a long way. Some units will heat efficiently to -0 degrees.

    In the northern climate, the HSPF (heating season)rating is more important than the SEER rating.

    SEER ratings go as high as 24-27 for very efficient cooling .
    HSPF ratings go to 14 for heating.

    HSPF and SEER
    The HSPF is calculated by taking the total heating required during the heating season, in British thermal units (BTUs), and dividing it by the total electricity consumed during the same time period. Similarly, SEER is the total amount of cooling by an air conditioner during the cooling season, divided by the total electricity consumed during that same time span.

    In the United States, the lowest allowable SEER for a split-system air-source heat pump is 13. For a system to be granted the coveted Energy Star level, the SEER has to exceed 14.5. For ideal cooling efficiency at an affordable price, look for SEER ratings of 16-18. The minimum HSPF on the market for a split-system air-source heat pump is 7.7, with Energy Star models exceeding HSPF 8.2.
    The HSPF is calculated by taking the total heating required during the heating season, in British thermal units (BTUs), and dividing it by the total electricity consumed during the same time period. Similarly, SEER is the total amount of cooling by an air conditioner during the cooling season, divided by the total electricity consumed during that same time span.

    In the United States, the lowest allowable SEER for a split-system air-source heat pump is 13. For a system to be granted the coveted Energy Star level, the SEER has to exceed 14.5. For ideal cooling efficiency at an affordable price, look for SEER ratings of 16-18. The minimum HSPF on the market for a split-system air-source heat pump is 7.7, with Energy Star models exceeding HSPF 8.2.
     
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    In "BRAND NEW AND ULTRA MODERN" construction; heat pumps make perfect sense......................maybe!!!! But to be PUSHED into, and GREASED via "incentives" by the layers of gooberment into a heat pump is a crime. It's proof right there that it's not a viable alternative.......................has to be incentivized!!!!

    As a prior poster mentioned the payback time doesn't make sense when a pellet stove (his words) can pay for itself in 1/4 the time!!!!!
     
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    There are a whole bunch of people up north that figured out in last 2 weeks ductless mini splits Will NOT heat home at 20 below tempertures!
     
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    If good insulation and windows & doors that don't leak is ultra modern construction techniques............
    good luck with any heat source.:zip:
     
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    I thought that some lenders would not qualify a h/p as primary heat, at least "up here". I wouldn't for sure, at least not yet. Besides I've got too much wood to burn, and if I didn't cut wood my toys would get lonely and I'd get real fat and lazy.
     
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    I don't own one, but here are some interesting prices on mini splits. Search
    I first bought a Napoleon pellet stove. Performance was marginal. Always dirty and very fussy about what pellet I fed it. Then I went to a Harman p68 This stove exceeds my performance needs and is easy to keep clean, and could care less what pellet I feed it. The Harman cost twice as much, but far exceeds the Napoleon Love my stove.
    My brother put in a mini split, and has a Harman. He is as happy as a pig in mud.
    Why some cheaper Harman style knock off hasn't popped up, I don't know. They have a easy to run, very efficient stove that is very pricey.
     
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    I've been feeling sorry for whoever owns my old house up north this last week. Wind blows in through the shakes on one side, through the floor joists, and out the shakes on the other.

    As far as the price of heat pumps vs. pellet stoves mentioned earlier, we got a Lennox 4.5 ton package unit October before last for $3100 installed. Friend of mine got a higher efficiency unit nearly twice the size for $8500 installed last week. He'd likely need two pellet stoves to heat his place due to the layout and that still wouldn't hit all the corners and he'd still need to pick up an air conditioner to cool. Different houses in different climates require different systems. It's ok.
     
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    Thanks. It’s called Nexia and you have to have a trane smart thermostat. You just go to the App Store and get it and punch in all the info and that’s it.
     
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    See above post. Thanks
     
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    Well I bought two 3.5 ton units in 2008 when I bought my house 13 seer was not the lowest back then. I was thinuking these were energy star back then. The 14 seer was a good bit more I think then. U forgot about that heat pump number but I do remember seeing that the unit was obviously mote effecient as an AC.


    And as someone pointed out a pellet stove may not heat a home all the way and it sure won't air condition your home in the 96f degree summer days we have here. That said I heat with wood. Only if family here and the front room open on really cold day, does the heat pump run or were away for more than a day. And the AC on the far side of the house did not run much at all before the birth as my son, which his bedroom is on that side of the house.
     
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    Our heat pump was installed last May by our landlord and while I dont know the size of it I know that it's absolutely massive. It can be 10 degrees out and it'll get our little place as hot as we want it.

    Although I prefer the fireplace ....

    We have a simple prefab fireplace but it doesn't mind heating us while we're home.

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    They don't but you can have a heat pump and have electric as backup which my friends tell me cost about 1500 a month
     
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