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Will a new hybrid stove solve my problems

Discussion in 'Non-EPA Woodstoves and Fireplaces' started by skyrvask, Mar 7, 2016.

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  1. Matt Fine

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    The horizontal and the 90 WILL slow the draft. Just not enough to be of concern.
     
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    or use 2 45's and run the pipe at an upward slant..
    a "pour in" chimney insulation is available but I don't know if it's applicable to the block and clay liner.
     
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    From his description, it sounds like that would require raising the hole in the stone chimney 18" or lowering the stove 18". Neither are cheap or easy and it should not be necessary. Plenty of people run stoves with 2-3' of horizontal pipe.
     
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    skyrvask , read this :)

    Primer on Woodburning by Backwoods Savage | Firewood Hoarders Club

    This might help too?

    Firewood BTU & Drying Chart | Firewood Hoarders Club

    Speaking of safety for your family, I was disturbed and shocked with what I did not know..... Bought an old home, moved in, had them cleaned and inspected, then burned 2 stoves 24/7 from Sept - May. March we ran out of the dry wood and ordered another couple cords that was not dry. Not just cut down but not what I am used to (they were heavy and a PITA to get started burning), in April I started getting flash back (flames coming out of the door) when I reloaded, and some back puffing though not alot. I tore the stove apart to replace the cat and it was a slammer!!!:hair: WWW (hubby) borrowed some equipment to sweep the chimney again and what came out was a chimney fire waiting to happen:eek: He ended up with a a drill on rods and the end was a rigid steel cage (unlike sooteater). The chimney was not choked down but there was enough creosote in there to ignite and burn the house down. We put in a liner like this, bought the kit that included the optional insulation on it.
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    Yeah, two years ago we were having a lot of smoke problems, when I finally got up to clean the chimney I was SHOCKED at the Creosote. Same idea as yours, lucky we didn't all suffer on that one. That's when I looked into the soot eater so I wouldn't have to climb up a slippery roof in the winter.

    I have an 8x8 tile flue. The preinsulated liner says it is 6inch with 2inches additional for the insulation. Is that about the same as an insulation wrap?? Sounds like a female dog to install if it is.

    Does anyone prefer one over the other??? And is there somewhere a home owner can buy it other than 'Amazing'? Most sites seem to be contractor only.

    Lastly I suppose, with all this hoopla in the chimney is a smooth interior wall all that necessary?? I like things to be as cheap and as good as possible...it drives my wife whimmy...too much research.

    Thank you thank you all who have helped out.
     
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    Just took a quick look at your other two links. Looks very helpful. I'm surprised at the length to dry for some of those woods. Maybe I will get a moisture meter. Thank you again.
     
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    It was, hubby did it by himself it took him one day, videos on youtube show 2 or 3 guys and looks alot easier..... Once installed after all the PITA, you can sleep well knowing family and home are safer #1, I also think it will solve some your current issues, worth the hard part IMHO.
     
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    Very welcome:) I bought a deal on amazon, moisture meter and IR thermometer combo for like $30 I think. Our liner kit was from a fireplace dealer up here I think it was called "homesaver"....?

    Ours was not preinsulated, but foil/fleece that glued to the outside and then chicken wire, I am guessing the preinsulated would be easier to get in the chimney. First though, find out what your current stove pipe is (6" or 8") and also consider if you buy a new stove what that diameter is, then shop for liners:)

    don2222 has a shop online, and Kinsman Stoves carries things too.

    ETA.....I am far from expert fyi....
     
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    A chimney fire is not really that bad...





    As long as it doesn't catch the house on fire.

    After we bought our house, I had the same ignorance issue and our chimney ignited into one heck of an inferno. The thick layer of snow on the roof made sure any flakes of burning creosote were safely extinguished and it burned out quickly enough that I did not have a stroke. Learned a lot since then!
     
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    mine Ideal Steel top vent to thru wall thimble is 23 inches in corner installation as close as I can get it so 3 feet would be minimal.. remember to put an inch of pitch on your horizontal though..:yes:
     
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    I did see the drying chart, wildwest posted as well. Thank you. It was interesting the drying times. I always figured one and done. Two just for storage sake... Nope.

    And thanks for the one inch pitch Canadian border... Never new or checked for that.

    Y'all are great. Thank you!
     
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