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Question about a crashed Stilh 291

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by Bobrm2, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Bobrm2

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    I own a Stihl MS 291with less than 2 hours of operation, when I reach down and poured the wrong gas in the tank.
    The repair man says he can repair it for around 40.00 dollars(?). Assuming parts and labor doesn't make sense; so just labor . Parts, as close as I can figure should run upwards of 200.00. I worked as a carpenter.

    Does any of this make sense, is this just a simple fix, and can I possibility make the repairs myself. I know I have provided a description of the problem. The machine will not start. How to trouble shoot.

    Thanks for the read, and any help.

    Bob
     
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    Are you saying you "straight gassed" it?
    How long did you run it that way?
     
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  3. Mag Craft

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    Pull the muffler off of it so you can see into the exhaust port. Then turn the engine over so the piston is below the port and look at the cylinder wall to see if it is scored. Then raise the piston back up and look at it to see if it is scored also. If the piston and cylinder are scored I do not see it being repaired for 40 dollars. It would take more than that in labor alone with no parts.

    Then again it may not be as bad as you think it is. That is why you need to look for yourself.
     
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    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

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    Was this an estimate after he had the opportunity to look at the saw or just a guess at what it would cost?
     
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    Yes, straight gased it, and less then a minute?
    The mechanic looked and then gave the extimate. I couldn't believe that it could be fixed for that small amount, so I haven't done anything about fixing the saw; I'll pull the muffler and so as instructed will get back later. thank you
     
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    He can't fix it for that!! The disassembly and reassembly would take long enough to cost $40 without any parts! I mean maybe he could take it apart and put a Chinese piston in it?? I still don't see how he could put a $10 cheap piston in it and take it apart and only make $30? I guess he could though.
     
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    A good technician with the proper tools need one hour to do this , i think 30-40 is good for one hour job
     
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    But to buy the piston also? I agree I can tear it down and replace it in that time but usually a shop will charge more. They hit you with supplies...and I have to put new rubber hoses and such on it for $10 each. Oh while I'm in there we may as well do the carb. Oh and I won't replace a piston without a cylinder. Etc. Surprises me that someone would actually quote that?
     
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    To tell you the truth my friend i dont know how bad is this saw and also i dont know how good the technician see and examine this saw, if the operator can give us some more infos and pictures maybe i can tell something more.
     
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    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

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    This also is a strato clamshell we're talking about here and not an 026.
     
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    Yep takes way more work than an 026 is why I have a hard time believing anyone would swap a piston for $30
     
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    The shop I work part time for charges 65.00 dollars an hour. Also I would want to clean it up some before taking it apart and when you start adding that all in there I think an hour is pushing it.
     
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    cleaning the saw with the presure washer need 5 seconds and 10 with the parts cleaner
    one hour is good enough for changing a piston

    for the price what to tell you its up to the technician for me seem good for someone else maybe is not.

    here the stihl have another method to charge the customers for example 30 euros for changing the piston if you want make one minute to changing it if you want make a day its up to you , you take 30
     
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    Where I work at does not have a pressure washer for working on saws. I use a brush and a faucet. The old fashion way. It is what it is. Where I am they charge by the hour not by the job. If I am fast the customer wins if I am slow not so good. Heck it might take me 5 minutes to fill out the work order on what the problem was and what was done to correct it.
     
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    I am certainly no authority, so take the following with the proverbial grain of salt, but if you find that the cost of having your dealer fix it costs close to the price of a new saw, well I think you already know the answer. You may be able to recoup some of the cost back by selling off parts on ebay, or if someone local is looking for a parts saw.
    Or you can use this golden opportunity to fix it yourself, or at least tear it apart, to better understand how it works. There is literally volumes of info on the inter-web that will help you out. Just think, you very well may become one of those mystical entities on chainsaw forums who port saws and such. Just sayin'.
     
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    Well, My last two smoked saws Mastermech did, I'm by "FAR" a saw mechanic but the last one "I" did took me about three hours for a stock jug and piston. :whistle: To me, that sounds a bit cheap and the way it sounds if you "straight gased it" you'll be needing what I did! Yup, been there, done that!:emb:
     
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    Did he say on the estimate what he was going to do to it?

    Gary
     
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    For that price he can't be doing anything but tearing into it to asses damage. Like I said a Chinese piston alone will be around $10 I bet. I honestly can't see a shop of any sort tearing a whole CLAMSHELL saw apart to replace a piston with say the left over $30 from the $40 estimite.

    I don't own a shop but if that takes him an hour to do and he only can work 9 hours a day that's $240 a day...check my math I don't feel like it and did it quick. But I don't think you can have a decent wage and pay for your shop and tools only charging a rate that low.

    If he can honestly fix it . Tells you the diagnosis and his repair fixes it go for it. But don't get suckered into a low ball totally off $40 estimite that ends up costing you $300 before it's done.
     
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    how much expensive you thing are the tools for repair chainsaws ? you just need one-two spliters one pressure -vacuum pump and some screw drivers , pliers and wrenches
    all together 300- 400 euros and you have them for all your life so leave the cost of the tools out
    for a one man small shop 240 each day are not good money ?? what you thing that he spent? maybe a screwdriver broke thats all
    Now if someone need three hours for do the job maybe someone else need half hour this depend on knowledge and tools
    Ok i dont say taking more money is more good but if the technician can do it with 40 and he is happy what else we can say he know better
     
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    :confused: Ok? sounds good...:whistle: