In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Problem with Hickory

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by clemsonfor, Dec 29, 2013.

  1. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    I loaded my stove a few times with 90$ hickory and have trouble with heat output. I have to run the air way higher than on oak and the heat is just not there. Its burning like its too wet?

    So a bit of background. This tree was cut live / green. Maybe 18 months ago and split. And before Denis or the others jump on me I am here in SC and stuff does not take 3 years.

    This stuff on my moisture meter reads between 16-20% depending upon size on the pieces I have split. It does not sizel in the stove either. I was thinking hickory was similar BTU to oak but in real life this is like 70% of them I would say based upon heat output.

    I was thinking I read a post like this "somewhere else" on the net a year or two ago but just kind of shrugged it off?

    Thoughts or experience here?
     
    Chvymn99 and Pallet Pete like this.
  2. Pallet Pete

    Pallet Pete Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    13,479
    Likes Received:
    54,101
    Location:
    Ovid
    I have had hit a miss with hickory I don't know the reason why but some burns fantastic and she does not. By the way 18 months is pretty good most go a 6 at best around us and then wonder what all the black popcorn is outside.
     
    clemsonfor likes this.
  3. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    I know 18 is decent for here we just get 3 years beat into our head. I want to get there but baby steps. But I also like in the sub tropics compared to Michigan!

    I thought I have burned hickory before no prob but I believe I was mixing it. This was a big pile pulled from same spot, I am going to have to start mixing it cause the house gets cold on those 20 something nights burning a full load!! I mean it burns 10 hours or more in my stove easy and coals well the heat is just not there?
     
    Pallet Pete likes this.
  4. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    What kind of hickory is it?
     
    MasterMech likes this.
  5. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    As a forester I should of cared, but I did not get into those details. But I think it was mockernut.
     
  6. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    The ones with scaly bark that flakes off seem to burn better than the shag bark variety for some reason. I'm not familiar with mockernut.
     
  7. Tiewire

    Tiewire

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    Messages:
    173
    Likes Received:
    1,006
    Location:
    Missouri
    Shagbark is about my favorite firewood. In my experience it burns hotter than oak. Have to work harder splitting it and the bark will sure give you're chains a lot of grief!
     
    Certified106, thistle and Jack Straw like this.
  8. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    Shag bark is the flake bark one unless you have one I don't have here? Pig nut is similar in form characteristics to mockernut. Its called mockernut cause it has a huge nut with a fat hull and a tiny nut inside. Mocks the squirrels :)
     
    Got Wood?, Mitch Newton and mdavlee like this.
  9. mdavlee

    mdavlee

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2013
    Messages:
    4,380
    Likes Received:
    10,479
    I've split some that had real thin bark that would peel off and then most of the shagbarks have the rough looking bark and some will flake off. The stuff with the real thin bark seems to make more heat.
     
  10. Chvymn99

    Chvymn99 Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    21,187
    Likes Received:
    112,075
    Location:
    KC Metro
    I remember that topic too. I can't remember the outcome either.
     
  11. MasterMech

    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,648
    Likes Received:
    26,038
    Location:
    Greenville County SC
    Shag bark is usually in the top spot on any BTU chart for hardwoods found in the NE. Very distinct appearance as well. I don't get to burn much of it tho because most of the ones I come across are healthy! I do have a bit of pignut in the stash however.
     
  12. thistle

    thistle

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    9,753
    Location:
    Polk/Guthrie Counties,IA
    Normally all the Shagbark I burn every year (which isn't much of the total amount) is fine after 12-18 months split/stacked.That's either standing snags,deadfall (gotta a short window once its on the ground - 2 years max before it starts rotting) & the rare otherwise healthy live one that has storm damage & needs removed.

    If I had a choice I'd rather cut Honey Locust exclusively over Shagbark for several reasons.Very similar density & heat value,and dries about the same rate.But Shagbark/Shellbark/Mockernut bark has silica in it,that's even harder than the wood itself.Very rough on sawchains & other cutting tools plus on older or medium & larger logs it flies off in little sharp bits once any cutting tool contacts it.Another good reason to wear safety glasses with a mesh face shield.Very painful,on bare arms in summertime too! :axe:
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2013
  13. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    This was a live blowdown tree. And yea after a yr stacked in the open the sapwood was rotting in my pile on some pieces. I stacked it in my shed in the beginning of the summer.
     
  14. bogydave

    bogydave

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    10,313
    Likes Received:
    37,218
    Location:
    Alaska, North of Anchorage & South of Fairbanks
    Oh to have hickory to complain about.
    Trade for some birch?
    LOL :)
     
  15. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    Trade ya 2 for 1 :)

    U know what you have but this was like a 19-20" diameter tree. We carried or wheeled this tree 50 yards up a tiny incline to my truck!! I could of loaded 2x something else in the time to grab this tree! Someone cut the top out and left the trunk cause they did not want to split or carry it?
     
  16. bogydave

    bogydave

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    10,313
    Likes Received:
    37,218
    Location:
    Alaska, North of Anchorage & South of Fairbanks
    Nice to get easy free wood like that
    Especially hickory :)
     
  17. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,474
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    Most of the time I try and go for oak that I can drop into the road or within 15 yards or so, or a loading deck I can drive right too. I cut on public land that I manage as a forester :)
     
  18. thistle

    thistle

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    9,753
    Location:
    Polk/Guthrie Counties,IA
    About 3 weeks ago.... Lots of BBQ restaraunts will pay good $$$ for a steady supply.Though I imagine local preference & demand will vary whether customers want Hickory,Cherry,Apple etc.And I think where plentiful the prices paid might be lower.
     

    Attached Files:

    • 028.JPG
      028.JPG
      File size:
      141.3 KB
      Views:
      7
    • 029.JPG
      029.JPG
      File size:
      178.5 KB
      Views:
      8
    Mitch Newton and Chvymn99 like this.
  19. Backwoods Savage

    Backwoods Savage Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    48,199
    Likes Received:
    306,234
    Location:
    Central MI
    Okay, I won't jump on you for this. I've never burned that kind of hickory so have no experience with it.
     
  20. bogydave

    bogydave

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    10,313
    Likes Received:
    37,218
    Location:
    Alaska, North of Anchorage & South of Fairbanks
    Conflict of interest , LOL :)
    You get the easier stuff .
    No such thing as easy fire wood, some just easier than other.
    Nice, can you cut on company time too ?
    :thumbs: :rofl: :lol:
     
    thistle likes this.