$5000 fine for moving firewood into the Allegheny National Forest. We stayed there last weekend (atv trip) and the campground ran out of wood. The owners are great people. So we picked up 2 truck loads just up the road for them and stacked and covered it. We had a good fire that night and he told us we could have a free night on our next visit. great deal! (Last time we were there we couldn't get one of our regular rooms because the heater didn't work. So we put a thermocouple in the heater while we were there. No charge for the firewood that weekend either )
I was camping a couple hours and the next state over. I wonder if there are restrictions on logging trucks? I'm guessing a truck full of logs moves a lot more bugs than campers.
Well, technically, poplar is hardwood! Any tree that has leaf and leaf drop is a hardwood even though we typically think of that as a soft wood.
To play the role of pain in the posterior... (!) Does larch count as hardwood? It leaf/needles out in spring and drops in fall???
There is an invisible boarder through state lines. The only way bugs can cross it is on a vehicle. They are unable to pass the invisible state barrier by themselves.
I just got back from a camping trip today. I also had a bad experience with crappy campfire wood. This time I decided to not bring my own wood, due to the EAB quarantine. This was hard for me to do, knowing that I would have to pay a ridiculous price for campground wood. Well never again. Paid $5 per bundle for the wettest wood I have ever tried to burn. Looked like an idiot in front of my family and other campers trying to light that crap. Never had such a hard time trying to light a fire. There is a $1000 fine for moving firewood across county lines. I have heard that checkpoints are sometimes set up at rest areas to catch violators. I would be REALLY mad if I were ever fined for moving wood.
That sums up my experience exactly. I'm considering making some bundles from my seasoned wood next time, labeling it "ACME firewood co. Kiln dried wood' and going camping.
Commercial transport of timber is specifically excluded from the DEC regs regarding moving firewood. I don't know what the rules are for them but I do know they are very different from Joe Schmoe firewood hoarder extrordinaire.
I figured that is the case. I'm guessing a truck full of freshly cut logs moves a lot more bugs than a few milk crates of my seasoned wood.
I hope to chime in here as a campfire wood seller. I sell basswood (and any other species that we would frown upon burning in our indoor stoves) but I do make sure it is dry. I sell a good sized bundle for 2.50 and I usually "test fire" it at our own fire ring....99lbs is the pyro in charge of that! It may sound corny but I think a big part of the camping experience/memories is the campfire and at 2.50, I try to make sure that everyone (especially kids) has the opportunity. The surrounding sale sites fetch 5.00 a bundle; albeit they are hardwood. This past week, someone stiffed me for $25!
2.50 for dry camp wood is a very fair price. Thanks for being one of the good guys! The only reason we bought wood was to make a little fire for our daughter so she could toast some marshmallows. She is only 3 and would fall asleep before the big group fire was lit so we wanted to make our own.
When i go camping, i usually buy 1 bundle at the campstore so they think i'm burning their stuff. But, I usually go out and drive around the area and find some guys selling it on the street. Perfectly legal to move it a couple miles, and you don't have to haul the weight the whole way/take up trunk space.
I have never seen campfire wood for that cheap, and I've seen a lot of people selling it. I think that is awesome that you sell dry wood for such a good price. It is a shame that someone would steal from you, you don't deserve that!
That new isn't it dennis? My gramps always told me if your thumbnails can dent it as finished lumber it's not a hard wood.. how he used to tell hard maple from soft. only soft maple he ever had in house was birds eye which was on a table and so pretty he did not care. His brother was a cabinet maker so as they grew up you could imagine their mothers kitchen on farm. Dad still says popular and white birch are soft woods cause hemlock is harder..
Not new at all. But there is a difference between what we usually call softwood and hardwood vs what the books say.
I was raised the same way Canadian border VT, dent with finger/thumbnail !! That Dennis pointed out the technical definition of poplar is hardwood makes total sense! The fool I spoke about earlier thinks anything he reads is tried and true, regardless of if will actually perform. After the fool cut the pieces to fit he then attached feet to them. I suggested nicely a couple times he should countersink the feet nuts. Darn, apparently that was not on the internet. Yep he finally went home with each post 1/4" too tall for his project.
The deciduous=hardwood is a pretty standard definition. It has nothing to do with how hard the wood is when you are working with it.
