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Building up the wood pile.

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by Steven Stern, Jun 1, 2015.

  1. Canadian border VT

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    yeah for softwood...
     
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    how long does a common wood stove burn on a load of doug fir. I am from Indiana and I sell some wood also. 90% of my customers want oak, as much as possible. A stove could burn 8-10 hours on a load of seasoned oak. I sell a cord for $120picked up/150$ delivered.
     
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    Welcome to the forum denny.

    Most of today's stoves should burn more than 8-10 hours on oak. This makes me wonder if you cut it and sell it the same year. Around these parts we won't burn oak until it has been split and stacked for 3 years or more! Great firewood but it gives up the moisture very reluctantly.
     
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    Yes I do sell it the same year. I have tossed around the idea of turning my garden shed into a firewood kiln. Most of the wood I sell goes to an outside wood furnace. Those guys don't seem to mind one way or the other.
     
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    I feel like its worth far more lol. We dont have any hard woods so red fir and larch are top notch
     
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    Steven, if I were gonna cut it, split it and stack it it would cost a lot more.. I mean it's a lot of work.. in the north east most won't burn any tree with needles that's campfire wood 25 a truckload. However 20 years ago I was selling white birch for 5 dollars a round for people to put in fireplaces as it was white birch was protected in Massachusetts then.. for me white is a marginal firewood a shoulder season.. in February up here 6 degrees was average I saw 24 below.. sugar maple some black walnut as much heat as I could make.
     
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    NICE WORK STEVEN STERN!
     
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    sure you do, I remember raking and playing in piles of leaves as a kid growing up in Spokane, Leaves = hardwood
    Although Doug Fir is pretty high up on the btu scale for a softwood, that s why you can get the $$ for it
     
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    Leaves =hardwood huh? Well i guess people only want doug fir and larch here. I got a cousin that wants me too drop some trees that all have leaves so il season some and maybe turn people on too it. For a hefty price lol
     
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    Yep, thats the general rule of thumb, now remember just because its a hardwood does not mean its a quality wood, for example cottonwood, poplar, willow are all considered hardwoods but crap for firewood. Now maple,oak cherry chestnut on the other hand are great firewood, all of which I have seen in Spokane. Heck take a drive up on the south hill and down the residential streets, those are all hardwoods on the parking strip, I grew up on 14th ave between Grand and Monroe there are huge maples ( if I remember right) on the parking strip I remember raking leaves every fall
     
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    ok gotcha thanks elder. But i think if i started falling trees out there i might get to go sit in county for awhile lol.
     
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    steven, your doing a great job! you only can cut what ya got! look at BTU, charts. I wish I had more white oak and shagbark hickory! for the amount of work I want most BTU as possible:yes:
     
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    Steven, according to the btu chart your larch is equivalent to shagbark hickory in btu.. That's a GREAT wood! no wonder they want it..
     
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    Yeah, those are still there, but the owners will take a dim view to cutting them. Out in the wild, Stern is right, not a lot of hardwoods. But douglas fir and tamarack are good wood, every bit as good as many hardwoods, and sell well here.

    Lodgepole is low on the BTU scale, but it is the best pine, and pretty easy to work (other than all those tangled branches). I find it works out pretty well on the BTU to labor scale.

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    Out of curriosity how do u tell the difrence between a lodge pole and other pines?
     
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    Larch is easy splittin stuff too. Gettin harder too find it though, doug fir as well.
     
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    Out here, they are characterized by dark flaky bark, classic "lodgepole" shape (tall and thin), snarly branches predominantly at the crown, and small cones that hold tightly to the branches.

    The other common pine here, the ponderosa, has thick corky bark, usually with a reddish color in a mature tree.

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    Ok i gotcha, i mistake dead ones at a distance for larch
     
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    Me too :) But the small cones hanging on the branch for dear life are a dead giveaway.

    Frankly, I think you could sell a "mix" of lodgepole and the other two, probably for $20 less, but it might help you fill your orders, and the buyers will probably be satisfied as long as you are honest with them about what they are getting.

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    I agree Doug fir and Larch are great softwoods, I burn alot of Doug Fir as we have alot of it here on the wet side of the state,

    I was just making a point that yes you do have hard wood over there as well, but your right you are not going to find it out in you avg cutting areas, its going to be on homeowners property like it is over here,

    so you pretty much have to search craigslist and find the person who is wanting trees dropped or someone who already had them dropped and wants to get rid of the wood. That is how i get all my wood and I have alot of Elm,Birch, Maple and some Locust in my stacks as well as Doug Fir

    Here is a small example of what I am talking about from Spokane Craigslist
    this one is 9 days old so I am thinking it is all gone, but I would ask anyway 30 Locust Trees BIG TIME SCORE
    https://spokane.craigslist.org/zip/5049833044.html
    FREE Firewood- you cut to size and pick-up (South Hill)
    I am having 30+ trees taken down on lot and the wood is FREE to who ever can cut and load into your personal transportation. Landscape service says the tree's are Locust and is very hot and hard wood, don't know anything about that. All I ask is you cut branches into 8' lengths so they can be chipped and take all wood that would be to large to fit into chipper

    Here is a small Ash tree some one want removed, looks like a easy deal for someone like Steven and Ash is good wood, but they are calling it quaking Ash, never heard of that, could be quaking Aspen and if it is I have heard it is crap for firewood, so do your research on it
    https://spokane.craigslist.org/zip/5061407590.html
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    Leaning Quaking Ash tree in my backyard that needs to go. You may have it if you want to come and cut it down. Would want you to take the whole thing, branches and all. If interested, call Brandon for more info.

    heck, here is some free Oak, granted they are pallets but I would be all over them if they were near me. they burn great on those cold days
    https://spokane.craigslist.org/zip/5064569890.html
    i have a large stack of white oak shipping pallets if you want some intact shoot me a txt and we can load you up
    if you just want to stock up on fire wood im going to start cutting them up this week just hit me up and we will set a time to meet and ill load u up thanks
     
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