That's not true. Actually the 3rd closest gas station to my house carries E-free. If you look on the website there's tons of em in NY. Now NYC - that might be a different story. You guys might as well be another state out that way. In fact, if you asked folks around here, we'd love to cut you loose.
First, I'm not in or near NYC. And for the record, Long Island has been trying to succeed from the rest of NY for a LONG time! We on LI pay 80 to 90% of ALL the infrastructure costs (roads, telecom, power...) for both the rural areas of NY state (read: your area!), and NYC. Long Island get hosed on all accounts!! We pay the highest taxes because we are paying for everybody else's crap. So if you "cut us loose", you will not be doing yourselves any favors as your taxes will immediately go up, and not just a little, a LOT! Mine will go down, THANKS!! And that is the exact reason the state (Albany) fights the groups on LI that have been trying to succeed for 30+ years. And then they do things like say, LI can't buy, sell or use non-ethanol gas while apparently the rest of the state can????? I don't know why that is, but sure as hell am going to find out why there are a "few" (not a lot) of places in upstate NY that sell non-E gas, while NYC and LI does not. The one shown on the map as being in NYC is a mistake, if you look at it's address it's actually upstate somewhere.
The major issue your missing is, in the marine industry EVERYTHING is wet, ALL the time! It's wet from the obvious water splashing around, and it's wet from super high humidity all the time. So regardless of how good the gas was, your going to have water in your system, there is nothing you can do about it except install centrifuge water cleaning systems which cost as much as most small boats do, not to mention take up lots of space. Sure, we have small "water separaters", but they don't get it all, and it's usually too late anyway. As Moparmyway mentioned, your aluminum tanks, blocks, injector rails.... have all already been damaged by the E, and then throw in the goop created from the water + E mix clogging everything up. It's one of the DUMBEST things congress and states have ever done, not allowing non-e fuels for the marine industry. Congress should have made it a federal mandate to allow it when they passed the E bills in the first place.
I never intended for this to turn into a ethanol vs non ethanol debate. Just wanted to help those out who may be seeking out non ethanol gas, for whatever those reasons may be.
I didn't mean to steer this in a political direction - 'twas just a friendly jab. BUT... Pick just about any taxpayer in NYS, from any part of the state, and they'll recite the EXACT same figures that you did. "We're paying for everyone else's crap - if we could just cut em loose, our taxes would go WAY down". Problem is, it's a pipe dream - taxes never go *down*! The politicos will always find other ways to waste the money. NY'ers sure do like to complain about weather and taxes though. Sorry for the derail - Ethanol sux! Carry on...
All the fishermen are unhappy because both reactors are shut down right now and the hot side is cold.
Naw, I get that water in gas is bad. It's bad in non ethanol gas too. Trust me, I get it. I may be a far way from salt water, but I spend a ton of time on lakes in my boat and on jet skis. If I can get non ethanol gas, I do, provided its not more cost than the minor increase of gallons per hour it takes to run e10. I also built my motor in the boat to run on 87 octane, and e10 87 safe too.
I have the app on my android. I dont use it much since I know where to buy it and its not that hard to find it in my area cause of lakes and fishermen.
You know, that is not a bad idea! I should get one of those tanks in the back of my truck, and start selling it down here!
Ethanol has 40% less power than gasoline does by volume. Indy cars used to use methanol, and switched to ethanol because of the corn lobby/E10 BS. Methanol has even less energy than ethanol does by volume. What Methanol and ethanol have is high octane. Having more octane means they can advance the ignition timing and get a better and more even burn w/o pre-ignition with really high compression ratio engines, and that results in more horsepower. But they are sucking in a LOT more fuel to get that power. Chainsaws have fairly low compression engines designed to run on mid-grade gasoline, and at most E10. They are not designed to run at Indy. Chainsaws run better and you will get 4% MORE POWER from simply running straight gasoline than you will running E10. With pure gasoline you also do not need to worry about the ethanol picking up water and moisture and forking up the aluminum in your carb or engine. Why use that E10 crap? And so speaketh the corn/ethanol lobby... I disagree with your statements here 1000%. Educate... BS. I eat corn all the time. Also you fail to mention that growing corn/making ethanol requires more oil than just burning the oil/gas. Oh, and the world is starving for food, not oil.
Sorry stihlhead, I disagree with you about the ethanol, and corn. I will never run more than 10% ethanol in any motor not designed for it, as I'm a gear head. I snowmobile, chainsaw, weedwack, dirt bike, boat, generate, split, anything involving a motor. I've seen both sides of the ethanol debate. One thing that isn't debatable is the fact that corn is largely indigestible. I challenge anyone to eat some corn, wait nature out, and see what ends up in your toilet to see how little corn is actually digested. It's not the ethanol lobby working on this, it's your digestive system, which has no interest in either side of the ethanol debate.
Indigestible roughage is not a bad thing in your diet. Ask any GI doctor. Also you can easily live on corn, even if that is all you eat. I have done it. Try eating crude oil or gasoline. Or firewood. Or other things that are far more suited to producing energy than corn is. I have also looked at this debate in detail for many many years, and I fail to see any advantage of using corn for fuel. I have traveled the world and seen a lot of people starving to death myself. I have also toured the Midwest and seen first hand the erosion damage that all the recent and massive corn planting is doing. My read is quite different on this subject. I have lobbied aggressively against E10 since they mandated it in Oregon about 6 years ago. As far as air quality and using ethanol as an oxygenate for gasoline, 6% ethanol is more then enough to do that, and it is only needed in winter gas blends. 10% is overkill. But 10% keeps the farm lobby and the greenies happy. Solar panels on the same area of land can generate up to 100 times the energy as ethanol can converted from corn. Corn is also one of the lowest grade feedstocks in terms of returns in biofuel, compared to say, sugarcane. I can go on and on and on... Inefficiency of producing ethanol from corn (or any feedstock): http://archive.peninsulapress.com/2...is-inefficient-and-drives-food-prices-higher/ http://www.agweb.com/article/report-biofuels-are-inefficient-crowd-out-food-production-blmg/ Farmland erosion and fertilizer pollution from growing corn for ethanol production: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...nmental-cost-of-US-ethanol-policy.html?pg=all
90% of corn is digestible, and is full of natural sugars ( what makes the e gas!), carbs, and vitamin c and some other vitamins. The outer shell, the part you see is the only part that makes up the part that is not digestable. Let's stick to facts.
The fact is that ethanol isn't going anywhere. Corn is not as good of an ethanol producer as switchgrass or algae.
Actually, there is a lot of talk in congress to do away with it. It is to costly to make, consumes to much energy, and obviously has issues running... I'd bet within the next 5 years it's gone. Remember, many in congress have yachts with dingy's, neither like E gas!
I hope that we can at least have the option of non ethanol gas sooner than that. I wouldnt mind getting unleaded non ethanol gas cheaper than $25/gallon
