In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Spark Plug Differences

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by wiguy, Apr 30, 2026 at 6:17 PM.

  1. wiguy

    wiguy

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2025
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    763
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    I consider myself a mid level mechanic, not high but I know how to do research. I cut my teeth with a pair of Polaris Colt 250 cc snowmobiles, then older Arctic Cat, walked home a few times. My uncle was big on the basics, spark, air & fuel. I try to start there, and the various ancillary contributors.

    I have an older Cub Cadet mower, bought new in 2007 or so, maintained fairly well. It’s a 2518, a little more mower that the average big box store sells. I’ve had a few ‘deep dives’ over recent years, always able to correct the issue. This Spring it had a rough start, hard to start, not running smoothly under a load.

    I have some other mower prospects but wanted to give this mower a chance. New plugs, fuel filter & the fuel cap vent were check & fixed.

    The main gist of this post is the spark plug I was grudgingly steered into a year or so ago. I went to the parts store, tried to get the NGK I wanted, not available. When I asked he said ‘we haven’t had any returns’, implying it was a fine plug. Well, reviews are fairly terrible. 5 days ago my mower wouldn’t start without a shot of starting fluid. After that it ran ok, but far from great.

    This time I ordered from Rock Auto, good price, here in 3 days. Today was my test. The mower immediately started up, normally. It also ran like new under load. There’s talk today about infant failure, where even new, or newer parts can be defective. I see this E3 plug is made in China. Full disclosure, the NGK is assembled in Thailand, noted with some Japanese parts & oversight.

    Here’s a picture, negative review on the E3, I prefer NGK iridium plugs. IMG_1901.jpeg
     
  2. Eric Wanderweg

    Eric Wanderweg

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2020
    Messages:
    8,290
    Likes Received:
    65,551
    Location:
    Bristol, Connecticut
    I grew up riding dirt bikes so NGK was/is always my go-to plug brand. In recent years I've ordered them online if I couldn't find what I wanted in stores. I've heard more than a couple times now about people getting burned from other in-store brands. I think I've been burned twice myself buying aftermarket parts from Rock Auto too, FWIW. Hopefully your new plug gives you plenty of trouble free use (if you didn't have an issue right off the bat, chances are good you won't at all)
     
    RCBS, John D, Screwloose and 2 others like this.
  3. Jeffrey Svoboda

    Jeffrey Svoboda

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2015
    Messages:
    2,623
    Likes Received:
    15,241
    Location:
    Michigan
    No matter how many or what shape the ground electrode is, it'll only have one spark despite what their marketing images portray.
     
  4. Skier76

    Skier76

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2014
    Messages:
    2,968
    Likes Received:
    16,218
    Location:
    CT and SoVT
    I’ve always had good luck with NGK plugs. From what I’ve read, best bet is to get them from a local retailer vs online. Some say Amazon has a lot of knockoffs that look convincingly legit. Same goes for oil filters. I’ll hit the dealer for OEM ones. Yeah, a bit of time and a few more bucks, but not willing to gamble with oil filters.
     
  5. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    24,443
    Likes Received:
    158,376
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Yup, genuine NGK plugs are top of the line, as long as it's the real thing...been hearing about a TON of knockoff name brand parts lately. Was just reading about some fake "genuine Ford" parts ordered off Amazon that were packaged and labeled to a level very difficult to detect.
    I got burnt on some fake "Honda" parts off eBay a couple years ago...I mean they worked, but not Honda quality though...good thing they were cheap enough to just kinda write off as a lesson learned.
    The price should have been the giveaway.
     
    Skier76, Eggshooterist, RCBS and 2 others like this.
  6. wiguy

    wiguy

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2025
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    763
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    I think I trust Rock Auto more than fleabay or Amazon, though I understand most any can fall short.
     
  7. Gearclash

    Gearclash

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2026
    Messages:
    53
    Likes Received:
    420
    Location:
    NW Iowa
    Sometime plug performance comes down to the particular application. I had zero success with NGK plugs in the Honda 200 ATVs. They ran a little rich mid range and NGKs would foul shortly where Champions would last well enough I couldn’t complain. Very likely the Champion was a hotter plug.
    Along the same lines we had a wheel loader with a Case 377 I-6 gasoline engine. Autolite 386 plugs would occasionally foul; stepped up to the hotter Autolite 388 plugs and never had problems.
     
  8. wiguy

    wiguy

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2025
    Messages:
    124
    Likes Received:
    763
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    Nippon Gaishi Kaisha (Japan Insulator Company), founded in 1936.


    I looked up what NGK stood for, never knew.
     
  9. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    24,443
    Likes Received:
    158,376
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Exact opposite experience here! I have fixed dozens and dozens of bikes (maybe hundreds!) by chitcanning the Champions and putting in a DPR8EA-9 (or 7, in the case of an older runs rich ATC 200) But the better solution was to lower the tapered fuel needle .5 to 1 full notch to compensate for wear, usually the worst at half throttle.
    They would very occasionally puke a resistor in the plug cap too...that could cause anything from no start to driveability issues.
     
    Skier76, eatonpcat and Eggshooterist like this.
  10. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    24,443
    Likes Received:
    158,376
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Agreed
     
    eatonpcat and Eggshooterist like this.
  11. Eggshooterist

    Eggshooterist

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2021
    Messages:
    6,957
    Likes Received:
    37,708
    Location:
    Erff
    I got burned by fake ngk plugs from ebay. I called ngk and gave them the numbers off the plugs...fake. Unfortunately they have to have a web page explaining this because there is such a big problem with counterfeit chicom garbage. Some people have had catastrophic engine failures from the counterfeit plugs as the electrode breaks off or the center of the plug falls out. I was lucky and happened to read an article on th problem before the plugs were put in the wifes car.
     
    eatonpcat and brenndatomu like this.
  12. RCBS

    RCBS

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2016
    Messages:
    5,955
    Likes Received:
    29,461
    Location:
    Over here
    I use mostly NGK. Back around 2012 I went into the spark plug rabbit hole. Best results saw a slight increase in mpg (~1) with no change in power. They were a Bosch varitey of iridium that were slightly 'colder' than oem. I run oem spec now. Have used a ton of Champion plugs in small power equipment without issue.