In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Homemade 4 way hydro wedge meets it's match

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by metalcuttr, Mar 16, 2025 at 1:07 PM.

  1. metalcuttr

    metalcuttr

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    23,636
    Location:
    western WA
    Made this wedge a couple years ago. Has worked fine for kindling splitting and rounds up to 11-12 in Doug Fir and Madrone. I was splitting up that Cherry I recently got. Worked fine on the rounds, even really knotty ones. I tried it on a gnarly twisted crotch and it split but not without consequences! When I repair this one I will heat dull red and quench. Even though it is mild steel, it will toughen it a bit. If it fails again, I will purchase some alloy steel for the wings!!
     

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Mar 16, 2025 at 3:10 PM
    dougand3, Chvymn99, Skier76 and 14 others like this.
  2. BuckeyeFootball

    BuckeyeFootball

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2020
    Messages:
    1,130
    Likes Received:
    7,614
    Location:
    Michigan
    What brand splitter did you have this on? If you can fab one up for a Champion Id gladly pay for one.
     
  3. metalcuttr

    metalcuttr

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    23,636
    Location:
    western WA
    Made this for a Dirty Hand Tools 35 ton. Wouldn't know what to do for a Champion, shape of the wedge, fitting it up and all. I'm sure somebody makes one for your machine. Thanks for asking though. :handshake:
     
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2025 at 7:13 PM
  4. Boogeyman

    Boogeyman

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2017
    Messages:
    399
    Likes Received:
    2,817
    Location:
    Central Indiana
    I like the binford stamp on that wedge!
     
    dougand3, Chvymn99, eatonpcat and 6 others like this.
  5. metalcuttr

    metalcuttr

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    23,636
    Location:
    western WA
    Sharp eyes there! Wondered if anyone would catch that.
     
  6. Mrxlh

    Mrxlh

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2021
    Messages:
    424
    Likes Received:
    2,246
    Location:
    Oklahoma
    No need to heat treat it, just use the same upright piece split in 2 for the wings…
     
  7. Screwloose

    Screwloose

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2017
    Messages:
    5,029
    Likes Received:
    29,083
    Location:
    SE Wisconsin
    Quenching won't do anything to the low carb steel but it could be undesirable for the weld metal.
     
  8. Eric Wanderweg

    Eric Wanderweg

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2020
    Messages:
    7,329
    Likes Received:
    56,717
    Location:
    Bristol, Connecticut
    Maybe a stress relief operation in the oven at 400 degrees for a couple hours would normalize everything…
    And maybe if he gets a raging fire going in his wood stove, throws half a bag of charcoal in there, then toss the wedge in, then wait a few hours for it to die down, he can get some carbon into the steel and raise the Rockwell a few points, or at least case harden it:whistle:
     
  9. RCBS

    RCBS

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2016
    Messages:
    4,684
    Likes Received:
    22,156
    Location:
    Over here
    I tried to bust a cherry crotch by hand last year. I gave it about 40 haymaker shots with absolutely no result. Not even very large...maybe 18" or so. It was green but the splitter didn't care.
     
  10. metalcuttr

    metalcuttr

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    23,636
    Location:
    western WA
    This was my thought. Bury the wedge in coals in the fire pit augmented with a leaf blower. At dull red I would water quench to cool. Even with a heating in a carbon rich environment, mild steel is still low carbon even with a slight case harden effect. I don't think there is a need to heat to full austenitic temps or temper afterward, because of the low carbon aspect. It is just a quicky home made wedge after all. If I really want to get fancy I'll get some L-6 tool steel (I may already have some) or some 4130 alloy. Maybe the best bet would be to just use thicker plate and change the horizontal blade design. Or I could just buy the 4 way that they make for this machine. :D
     
  11. metalcuttr

    metalcuttr

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    23,636
    Location:
    western WA
    This on E-bay may be the best bet! splitterwingwedges.jpg
     
    Chvymn99, eatonpcat and brenndatomu like this.
  12. chris

    chris

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2013
    Messages:
    3,122
    Likes Received:
    10,961
    Location:
    SE WI
    Thicker plate would help . i used 1/2 stock also gave them about 15 deg up angle, back higher than front gives the split somewhere to climb a bit. I do not make them the full length of the main wedge and set them back a bit so that you do not have all three edges hitting at once. less initial stress on wedge and beam. my main wedge is only about 1" thick x 10" long and 10 " high. There is a spreader behind the main wedge, so I get more if a slicing action than brute force
     
    eatonpcat, brenndatomu and metalcuttr like this.
  13. Screwloose

    Screwloose

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2017
    Messages:
    5,029
    Likes Received:
    29,083
    Location:
    SE Wisconsin
    At some point it would have to be quenched to harden. It would add a bit of carbon though.
     
  14. Scotty Overkill

    Scotty Overkill Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2013
    Messages:
    9,486
    Likes Received:
    62,955
    Location:
    Central PA
    What if you annealed some leaf spring material and tempered it after fabrication and welding?
     
    metalcuttr likes this.
  15. metalcuttr

    metalcuttr

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2018
    Messages:
    3,294
    Likes Received:
    23,636
    Location:
    western WA
    I am sure that would work. That would be 1095 steel? Only worries would be at the weld. So many ways to skin a cat. I heated with a rosebud tuned slightly rich then straightened the wings. Continued the heat then quenched. We will see how it goes. Any more problems I will remove the wings and use thicker shorter ones tilted slightly like chris said. Biggest thing is staying within a 4 way's capability!
     
    Eric Wanderweg likes this.