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Best way to buy a rust-free truck from a distance?

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by WESF, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. WESF

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    Yes, I understand. I think what I'm looking for is something less nice than a garage queen so that it doesn't fetch top dollar, but not with a bunch of rust.

    Perhaps strangely, it's easy to buy the garage queens up here because they're worth trucking around.

    Something with sun damage to the paint in Arizona would be perfect - not worth a big premium, but also still with a solid body.
     
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    Boy, if that dealer calls that "poor condition" they have a very high set of standards! :eek:
     
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    1989 F 250 XLT Lariat 7.3 IDI from Idaho. Dents dings, but no rust. 128K miles. $2800.00
    1996 F250 XLT Lariat 7.3 PS From northern Cali No rust clean but hail damage. 194K Miles $ 6500.00
    1997 F 250 XLT Lariat 7.5 Gasser From Denver. Clean, no rust 1 dent. 178K Miles $ 4800.00
    These are all deals I've gotten in the past 10 years, still own and drive them all. Prices are up, but patience and cash will pay off. Look on FBM and CL in western states with emissions testing, often people don't wanna spend big money to repair emission related issues on older vehicles. Line up 15-20 to look at in a 200 mile radius, fly out for a week or 10 days, rent a car and start looking. Carry cash and buy what you want and drive it home.
     
  4. WESF

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    That's what I'm talking about. Glad to hear it's worked for you.

    Just a little bit of a leap to get on a plane unsure of what I'm driving home.
     
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    It is, in my case I've been a certified auto tech since 1983, so I can deal with minor stuff alongside the road if I have to. It really boils down to knowing what you're looking for when test driving. When I buy a truck from a ways away I will usually stop at Autozone or similar and buy a tool set that will cover the basics. I don't even open it unless necessary. If unused they can be returned locally, or given as a gift if applicable. The whole thing isn't a cheap adventure, but a rust free truck bought right is an excellent investment compared to spending 40K on a used truck that you will start having "minor" issues with at 75 to 100K miles anyway. Only exception to that might be a Toyota, but you'll pay dearly for a nice one.
     
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    I think that one is grossly overpriced. A well optioned, V8, 4x4, Ext Cab in a fairly amicable color, for less than $9k, listed for over 2 months now? Hmm.

    Compared to that black truck on eBay - this one shows quite a bit more wear and fewer options. And no Toby Keith CD. :(

    The stick-on chrome panels are usually a major red flag for hidden body damage/rust. But the rocker panels look clean on this truck so perhaps the previous owner just has poor taste in trim. :p

    If you look carefully in the photos, you will see major sections of peeling paint, which is typical for a white GM truck of this vintage. The roof has a huge section missing, and there are smaller patches missing from the driver's side of the bed (over the Z71) and on the passenger side, behind the 3rd Door window. If the roof is peeling, the hood almost certainly was/is as well. So someone has repainted the hood. Unfortunately, none of these photos are good enough to tell if that was quality work or not.

    The tailgate is missing the trim around the handle, also typical for these trucks, but also a cheap, easy fix to avoid a haggling point. Likewise for the tires that are obviously underinflated in the photos. Would the tires not hold air long enough to get a good picture? :sherlock: Also, the tires do not match front to rear, which is not at all unusual on a 25 year-old truck. But as a buyer, you bet I'd point that out.

    The bed obviously has a LOT more wear/use on it as well, which is okay, depending on your intended use. More on that later. Based on the wear over the fenderwells, and the lack of wear on the bed floor, it likely had a plastic drop-in bedliner until fairly recently. (Where'd it go, why was it unfit for sale? Who snatched it for their own truck?) But the real eye catcher for me is the trailer wiring receptacle on the inside of the left bed side panel, just forward of the stake pocket. If you look closer, there looks to be a hole cut in the middle of the bed floor too. Either this is not the original box for the truck (so what happened? Accident?) or this truck has had a gooseneck hitch installed. This is highly unusual on a 1500, let alone a shortbed, more common on the 2500 and 3500's. All of a sudden, I'm very concerned that 144k miles (which was never "low miles" for these trucks at any age) is a lot for a 4L60e transmission (especially with unknown service history) towing at the limit or likely well over its tow ratings.

    The interior condition is just average. Some damage to the carpet there on the driver's side of the trans tunnel, but all of the seats are intact with remarkably little wear. Some weird staining going on with the driver's seat backrest though. Especially odd since it looks like it had seat covers, as the front seats have no fading, and show a slight color difference vs the lower seat cushions, carpet on top of the trans tunnel, and the backseat. The missing radio knob is just obnoxious at this point. Come on. That's a junkyard freebie fix.

    But is it a better deal, than say, the black truck which will likely sell for $15k+ with 90k miles and no major cosmetic issues whatsoever. Depends on your intended use. If you want one to throw wood/rocks/dirt/mulch in and it doubles as daily transportation - This one is overpriced IMO and carries a lot of risk buying it sight unseen. If you had a service history for the transmission, and it could be verified with a test drive, I might give $5-6k for this truck. If you don't care about the cosmetic flaws, there are many options for less than $9k. And I'd have reservations about buying ANY truck in that category sight unseen. If you're looking for one to drive as a classic vehicle and wanted a super-clean example, this truck just has too many flaws, for the money. $9k asking price and it's going to need tires, paint, and a full detail job (a few prayers wouldn't hurt) to start describing it as clean and complete. And this is a 1500, the most common model. If it was a 2500 or SRW 3500, $9k may be a bit high, but certainly palatable.
     
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    Want to come along and do the negotiating? I'll buy lunch. :whistle:
     
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    I thought I had it bad when I went shopping for my last truck. Drove from Ct to RI to look at a minty King Ranch. Still looked mint in person until I peeked underneath. Not just rust but rusted off parts, missing, gone. I didn’t hang around long enough to figure out how they had a mint body sitting on half a frame.

    How about a vacation in the south? Bring your wallet.
     
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    Maybe I should start "finding" clean GMT400's to enjoy and resell. Seems like I still have it bad for them. I like the GMT800's ('99-2006) just fine too. Far better engine options, but even worse with the rust issues than GMT400's.
     
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    I will offer $11,500.00 for a package deal!! :D
     
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    Ha, nice try Brian. I have had some pretty good offers on these trucks, but they're too hard to replace.
     
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    Ooof, in yet another sign that people are insane, this one went for $17,957. At least two guys appear to have wanted it really badly.
     
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    Ouch! Not worth that price.
     
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    Maybe I should have invested in more Toby Keith CD's ..... :rofl: :lol::picard:

    Original condition OBS Chevy's in that good of condition are a rarity. And that one has most of the option sheet checked. Yeah, you can find them rebuilt, or half-way rusted out yet. But even here in SC where rust hasn't claimed all of them, clean, original examples that haven't visited the machine shop or the paint booth are rare. $18k certainly is premium price, but considering $1 isn't worth near what it was 10 years ago, and the fact that examples like that ARE in fact rare, I wouldn't call it nuts or unrealistic. A similarly optioned (minus the leather I guess) K10 square body with similar mileage in the same exterior condition, even re-painted, would easily fetch $18k. Few would call that crazy, and these are MUCH better trucks. Keep in mind that it's unlikely this was purchased as an affordable daily driver, and most likely as a classic truck to drive on Sunday.
     
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    Yes, there's clearly getting to be a market for these as collectibles, and the cherry versions are going for far more than daily driver prices.

    A friend really has a nose for shopping deals, and he's on the hunt for a rust free user of a truck.

    I'll post the nice ones he finds here, since other people seem to enjoy the window shopping and commentary.

    Truck 1: 1999 2500 four door with 115k for $8450. 5th wheel ball might give me pause, but could just be occasional horse trailer hauling.
     
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    Not bad...I agree, not many miles trailering most likely...but many of the 115k are probably hard miles...dirt roads, offroad, short trips, etc...thirsty beast too I'm sure...
     
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    I wouldn't bat an eye with that powertrain. As long as reverse is good, she's good to go. What's the difference between a big block and a small block? What a small block will do once or twice on the weekends, a big-block will do all day, every day, for 200k+. With a small-block, it would have the 4L60E (vs the 4L80E paired to the later big-block trucks) behind it. Especially with any towing use, it's a matter of when, not if, it will need to see a good trans shop.

    EDIT: I need to get more sleep - All 3/4T trucks, had the 4L80e, even with the 5.7 V8. It's the half tons that got the 4L60e.

    The more they work, the closer a small-block gets to the big-blocks for MPG too....
     
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    That's a nice truck for sure...so hard to see minor paint flaws on shiny white paint in pics though. My only issue with that gen GM is the generic looking interior...reminds me of "Kmart blue light special" :rofl: :lol:
     
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