This isn't good for EV's

I think this guy gets it.

"They do a fantastic job of moving pollution out of populated cities"

 

The idea that gas cars will be banned, and people will be "forced" to buy EV's is ridiculous. No one forced anyone to switch from horse and buggies to gas cars. No one forced anyone to switch to electricity from whale oil.

I drive an EV cause gas is $5 per gallon. I dislike paying for gas, its the same reason I burn wood.

 

You can get solar much cheaper, you just gotta know where to look. I bought mine for 11k, after rebate. It makes enough to cover your electric bill. At least in my area it does. Electric prices and the amount of sun people get vary in different areas. Grid-Tied Solar Systems

 

I get it, I have had 3 different solar companies come here I get great sun considering I am close to 45th parallel they all depend on power company to continue buying excess. No one will put that in contract!

 

My grid tied solar ROI is 4.5 years.
My off-grid system ROI is about 11 years.
That's with 30¢ electricity . Electric here went up to 35¢ last November and goes up another 2¢ July 1. (17¢ supply cost, 20¢ delivery cost )
Solar installers will probably be pretty busy in NH as their power supply cost goes up from 11¢ to 22¢ next month or so (Aug 1, I think)

 

The numbers I spoke of also included the purchase of some form of EV for work commute.

 

Now there's something a lot of people haven't considered.

 

this was already posted back on page 5, here I’ll copy for you

It is true that producing an EV takes more energy and thereby creates more emissions than producing an ICE vehicle. However, the EV more than makes up this difference over the life of the vehicle. In addition, the batteries which are the main component of the EV that creates this discrepancy can either be redeployed or recycled at the end of their useful life in the EV. Mining and burning FF for power is “one and done”. The environmental impact of mining the minerals used to make batteries can be offset by redeploying and recycling.

It is true that the majority of the electricity used to power EVs is produced by burning FF. However, there is a net gain in efficiency and a net loss in emissions over burning the FF directly in an ICE vehicle. The stress on the power grid from charging EVs is overstated. Most EV charging happens at home and can be timed to happen overnight when demand on the grid is low. Investment in public infrastructure is a good thing especially when it comes to transportation.

Solar is the way to go for renewable energy.
-harvest the energy directly from the source
-it can be used basically anywhere
-the materials used to make the panels can be recycled.
Massive solar adoption by the public could decentralize electricity production which would go a long way to reducing the stress on the grid and increasing grid security. Imagine a solar farm in every community and every house with a bunch of panels to produce their own electricity and a bank of redeployed EV batteries to store the energy during time of low or no production.

The presenter in the video linked above is actually an EV proponent. However, he is against mass adoption of EVs at this time in favor of hybrids or PHEVs because current battery technology is lacking.
-current EV adoption is relatively low
-the video is two years old and many of the assertions he makes are no longer true or accurate
-the best way to develop new battery technology is to deploy EVs using current technology and learn from real world data.

 

RGrant and Wouldsplitter

Not to throw you into the fire but I’m curious if you received tax credits for your PV solar and EVs and whether you still would have made the purchases if the tax credits were not available?

I received substantial tax credits and I likely would have still made the investment in PV and bought at least one of the EVs if the credits weren’t there.

 

"-the best way to develop new battery technology is to deploy EVs using current technology and learn from real world data." ... I couldn't agree more Dave... I believe it's the evolution of today's early EV knowledge base that, if given enough time, should make the EVs of tomorrow the only choice of buyers who just want the best value for what they're spending... folks who don't care if it's powered by FF or the sun. It could take a while to get there I think.

 

I received no tax credits for the EV. The solar I got $3500 on my federal refund. I absolutely would have made the same decision without the tax breaks. I figured with an EV and solar panels, I could drive around for free. It made my skin crawl paying $3-4 per gallon in 2005.

I did the math one day the solar panels will pay for themselves in 7 years. The car will pay for itself after 200k miles.

 

You had to pay for the PV so it’s not driving around for “free”

7-8 ROI on PV solar is what I will see as well for a straight up cost analysis on the value of the electricity produced by the array but if you factor in the savings in not buying gas the ROI goes way down (depends on the cost of gas)

 

I think the forced part isn't literal. But regulating fossil fuels and gas powered vehicles out of existence or make them so expensive it will have the same effect. Look at you, ev voluntarily because gas is to expensive. Their strategy works.

 

I benefitted from a $1500 state instant rebate and a 30% federal income tax incentive.

If memory serves me right, the total purchase price to me what $14,000 or so.

if anyone on here ever had the thought solar might be right for their situation I’d be more than happy to share my experience concerning the do’s and don’ts.

I haven’t paid for electricity since 2015. I roll over a credit which pays for my hook up and transmission fees every month since 2018.

 

Reading this thread.. I am floored by the cost of electricity in certain areas.

I'm not surprised at all, but I think our electricity is like $.12 per Kw. plus delivery cost.


Reading around $.30+ is just


Edit.. Looking, I'm paying $.1467 per Kwh, including delivery charges and various taxes.

 

The one thing that keeps popping up is tax incentives or tax rebates. Can anyone tell me how anything to do with taxes actually isn’t just more of a tax? The government in all forms ie town city county state federal, doesn’t have a penny to their names. It’s all coming from taxpayers! I don’t want to fund your adventures as I solely fund all my own adventures plus pay my fair share of taxes. What you are promoting is socialism and redistribution of wealth! Let that sink in.

 

Some of the state incentives come from the utilities, so it's rate-payers/customers who are footing the bill. Don't see poor people or even lower middle class investing in any of this stuff. If I was getting tax rebates, I wouldn't go around bragging about it. Anyone struggling to pay their taxes could rightfully be quite offended.

 

That logic only works if your political ideology allows you to buy into the conspiracy.

Try looking at it from this perspective;
I recognized that my energy consumption was a major expense and the status quo of burning FF for power is inefficient and unsustainable, so I took measures to insulate myself from the forces that control those expenses by generating my own power and using that power for my home and transportation AND it is sustainable. If anything I am more free from “the machine”.

 

I'm currently paying a low 10.7 cents per kwh for electricity, but 57% of my electric bill is for other things. all totaled up, I am paying 24.9 cents per KQH. However, in August, the Energy charge is set to go up to 21 cents per kwh. My supplier is just now catching up to other suppliers who raised their rates 50-100% last fall (they all have different rate setting schedules).


If FF costs stay at what they are (especially natural gas since that is our main source of electricity generation in NH), my ROI on solar panels will accelerate.

 

And, I don't' think anyone was "bragging", many times people have straight out asked DaveGunter about that very thing. Others have stated how their energy saving purchases have been paid for almost entirely by tax credits and the pandemic payments (which was also paid for by tax $$ - and at least helped along the mess we are in).

I've been paying for people's kids to go to school for 44 years (no kids of my own). I paid for everyone's pandemic payments, except the one payment I got, which I split between a couple of different charities. I have worked massive hours or two jobs (2 full time or 1 full time and 1 half-time) most of my life until I got this job 3 years ago. If the pandemic had hit a year earlier I would have easily qualified for all payments made. And thru all that I have never gotten a break on my taxes in any manner because I don't have any deductions (except that $240 I got back when I put in the mini-split last year).

I've never gotten a dime from anyone I didn't earn even when I was living in my car and the only reason I ate was because I had a fast food job - while paying full taxes on what I made. I don't really care if people are "rightfully" offended.