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Soapstone Hybrid stove for a fireplace installation.

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by dirtdevil, Jun 15, 2022.

  1. Canadian border VT

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    I live on Canadian border englander makes NC 13 identical stove sold in Canada to their Specs. Stove I had was purchased from Home Depot. I don’t recall the actual name of the stove but when I purchased new fire brick and gaskets for the NC 13. They fit perfectly in the stove.
    My wood was always at least year dry BUT never properly seasoned.

    I don’t really concern myself whether people, believe me. The facts are my deck is the same size as it was before. Before I got the Woodstock IS my wood deck was full every year..
    12x20 and stacked over 6 foot high with enough room to open 36 inch exterior door in October. 12 cord is conservative.
    The 5.5 cord has was when my father was here with Dementia and when he could not see flames he loaded more wood. I would guess 4.5 was average

    I joined FHC and learned better burning habits and 3 year plan so I assume that was a major factor why I only post 40% increase
     
  2. Luke

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    Comparing one stove to another with vastly different operator behavior is not a valid apples to apples comparison and can be very misleading to those looking for accurate information. Opinions vary, but facts are facts.
     
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    Right...but there were still enough facts given that the information is still relevant to the conversation...didn't sound like just an "opinion" to me.
    "little tube stove-12 cords plus"
    "larger cat stove-4.5 to maybe 6 cord"
     
  4. Canadian border VT

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    Fair enough Luke
    Fact my wife likes this stove and amount of heat better and won’t go back.

    Have friends/family in round rock and Travis lake Texas, right near you. Comparing heat needs in our 2 completely environments seems rather pointless :handshake:
     
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    You misunderstand. That was never my intention.
     
  6. Backwoods Savage

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    If one wants to or needs to run low and slow, that is great as it means your heating requirements are low at the time. Let us never forget we burn our stoves as required; that is, we burn different depending upon the weather. Needs are much different when it is zero degrees vs 30 degrees. At zero we burn hotter fires and at 30 we burn very low output fires. Until one is able to run a good cat stove it is difficult to understand. Also I don't understand why you seem to look down at the so-called low and slow. If that is what is needed, that is how we will run the stove...but we still do not get black glass. I do not understand why a manufacturer would make and sell a stove with glass if said glass is going to turn black.
     
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    It no doubt sounds dubious to many but I will point to the same thing. We were burning in an Ashley stove before installing the Woodstock Fireview. Immediately we cut our wood consumption in half!! In addition, we had always been cold during January-February but after the changeover we then had a comfortable home. Not only that but we keep our house temperature around 80 degrees all winter. The coldest we've had was -28 degrees. On that day the temperature had dropped by morning and it did take me most of the day to get it to 78. Yes, some stoves are just better than others and some folks burn better fuel than others. There are many factors that come into play for wood heating.
     
  8. Canadian border VT

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    My apologies, in my state you can’t even do new builds with fireplaces because it would not get a certificate of occupancy; because it would not pass efficiency ratings.

    My burning techniques before, we’re basically what my grandfather taught me, he was burning 35 cord of wood a year for the farm house, cook stove and Sugarshack during depression.
    Healthy trees were girdled in spring, usually on snow shoes, Remove bark and sapwood around 3 foot diameter effectively kill it before it got spring moisture. Dead and dying CSS all summer, usually elm and ash. My wet wood was blow down in summer storms and probably wettest.

    I have no oak, slowest drying wood is probably sugar maple.

    my homes floor plan is hard too explain.
     
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  9. Canadian border VT

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    we burn low and slow usually October, November and April.:D But that as you’ve been here and I’m assuming that my low and slow burn is probably more than most because of cubic feet that I’m heating
     
  10. Rich L

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    I agree Backwoods if going into a fireplace have the stove sit out of the fireplace so the heat won't get absorbed by the surrounding brick.Now the Hybrid Heritage should give her the burn times she's looking for.
    If she keeps the stove she has a pipe damper will give her longer heat times.
     
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    That's not how I feel about it at all...I think the low and slow capability of cats stoves is a pretty cool feature...I'm just going off what OP said this person wanted, or was important to them...and low n slow means very little to no "view" to speak of (no fire) and while I understand that you and a few here have mostly clean glass, that has really not been the experience reported by many cat stove owners that I have read about over the years.
    If this person is OK with putting a cat stove out front of the FP, then by all means, get a soapstone cat stove! But it sounded to me like they really want/need an insert, which means no soapstone (to my knowledge) and very limited choice in cat stoves too...which I figured wouldn't fly since OP said looks are important, and that's such a subjective thing that I thought a wider selection would be more helpful.
    Just having a discussion, I'm not attacking anybody's stove choice or personal experience.
     
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    How are you using the term 'fireplace alcove' ?
    A fireplace alcove is usually the nooks/space(s) on either side of a fireplace that get crammed with books or things .
    This is a really big fireplace like from the 1700s ?
    The (usual fireplace) space to jam an insert into ?

    I've had an insert, my dad had an insert, my uncle had an insert and a good friend had an insert and none of us were impressed with them.
    (this was all in the seventies, so may not apply today)


    Yeah some measurements and/or a pic will make a world of difference for a starting place for options.
     
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    Thanks guys for all of the input. I met with her this evening. The heritage that she has now is in a fireplace alcove. She is remodeling a different house and would like the same look. So they are building an alcove where an existing stove and stovepipe were at to get the same look. So my next problem was clearances, and they are not there. So there is a Hearthstone dealer close by and we thought it would be best for her to stick with that option for the dealer support. She is going to be there in the morning when they open to get all of the info and help for the correct install.
     
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    I guess what I mean is that it isn't an actual fireplace but an opening bricked to look like one. Not ideal but it is what she would like to have and I think the dealer can help her out more with the correct install so she doesn't burn the house down.
     
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    The contractor was not knowledgeable on clearances at all so that scared me a little.
     
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    Cool, an alcove is the way to go today, IMO.
     
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    It should...alcove installs can be tricky...some owners manuals do not even address them, so you have to contact the manufacturer to get the CTC info. Many stoves have a fairly high "ceiling" requirement, so not the best for alcoves, unless the alcove is basically a large closet with full, or almost full height ceiling.
     
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    12+ cord through a NC13 must have been a true test of your mettle! Thats record book level for a freestander in one season. Good lordy:rofl: :lol: You guys had to be in awesome shape at the end of the year? Or just plain wore out!
     
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    12 cords through a stove sounds crazy.Was the stove being run with the draft wide open ?
     
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    No had key damper and draft control.. just had to feed every 3 hours or no coals left.
    Working from home helped, house requires many BTUs to get warm less to keep warm.

    New stove IS actually burns longer duration in months
     
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