Even the EV guy gets it..

I do not believe there are multiple electrical rates for daytime and nighttime, only one.

 

Yeah walking a couple miles to get a gallon of gas sucks...stringing out a couple miles of extension cord SUXX!
Or do EV's have some sort of limp home mode that is supposed to keep you from getting stranded?
Emergency solar charger?

 

Never have before and I don’t anticipate it either. On another note I was at a place called American Solartechnics this morning. I’m there a couple times a month and pretty good friends with Tom Gocze, the owner. You probably aren’t familiar with him unless you know anything about hot water storage. His business started building storage systems for solar heat collectors, didn’t last too long. Next step was storage for wood boilers. That was much better and he actually just sold that off. He got into hybrid vehicles and sells tons of them all used, rebuilds batteries, fixes all the hybrid system stuff. He had himself a 2017 Kia Soul EV. So I say, hey Tom how’s that Kia go? Well, he replies, I’m fighting with the dealer now to get the battery warrantied and they can’t or won’t seem to do anything because they do not have the equipment to repair it. This is a Kia dealer, it is under warranty, they won’t sell them, they won’t fix them. Apparently lots of dealers choose this route because of too many issues. This is a guy that is all in for hybrid stuff and despises anything EV because of this. He said the battery in this particular unit new is rated for 90 miles “under normal conditions “ but is showing down to 65 miles. He took it to the grocery store yesterday and had it towed back after 42 miles.

 

Yeah, Umm no!

 

My wife works for one of the largest office furniture manufacturers. They eliminated as much of the second shift work as possible, moving it to 1st and 3rd because electricity cost more during what's called peak hours which is basically when first shift ends and goes to bed. They stated this as the reason. Didn't eliminate workers, eliminated the shift.

 

I've never ran out of gas in my life. If I were to have an electric car Id plan on filling it up as needed as well.

 

Exactly...there is no free lunch...dangle the bait, set the hook, then reel 'em in!

A couple years ago I installed a HPWH...but, only because it still penciled out, even with worse case scenario numbers used....and there were no rebates or incentives available to me here either. By the time it is off (extended) warranty it will have paid for itself, and its replacement (but that was also assuming prices don't double, which might happen!)

That's how it'd hafta be for me to adopt most of this "green technology"...total no brainer, from every angle...and we ain't there yet, not even close.

 

You mean having common sense. Lol

 

Oh, you've never owned any hoopties, eh?!
(gas gauge don't work, speedo don't work, use GPS as a speedo and estimate fuel mileage off that)

I don't miss those days...

 

That seems like an unnecessary comment...but glad to know you've always been able to afford a full tank, and vehicles that are 100% reliable, 100% of the time.

 

We did that too with the water heater. The heat pump only recovers too slow so we run the hybrid mode. We would burn 100 gallons of oil just for hot water in the non heating season when we don’t have he wood boiler running. Today’s price $450 for hot water? I’d just freeze with cold.

 

I've owned MANY Hoopties. Many. They all had a working gas guage lol.

 

It was directed at people who knowingly let working vehicles run out of gas. Don’t have to fill the tank. Just enough to get you to point B

 

I've always tried to fill up once I get below 1/2 tank is all. And never let it get below quarter. Thats hard on electric fuel pumps as they are no longer fully submerged and being cooled by the gas. Then you fill up and shock the hot pump with cold gas. Recipe for ruined in tank pumps.

 

I did have an 84 ford ranger that I had to keep a case of oil in because it burnt a quart a day. Like 100 miles. Needed plugs every few weeks too. Good times. Like owning a big slow 2 stroke.lol

 

It would be silly to say that there isn't work to do on recycling, infrastructure, and reliability- but I think it's easy to get stuck on the sense of scale (time) of progress for gasoline and internal combustion of the 20th century. This isn't that. It's progressing so much faster. Range, dependability, price, charging infrastructure. Pick the point you are most comfortable jumping in and don't worry about your neighbor. At some point in the distant future we will be reading about the last gasoline station in America going off line. Maybe that's your jumping in point. Totally fine with me.

 

You must of had more pennies to spend than brenndatomu & I had to be able to afford one with a working gas gauge

 

Very true...I try to stay over 1/4 at least...and over 1/2 or more these days!

Gotcha...sorry I guess I took that completely wrong!

 

I know people like that. Now on the flip side, my wife works with a woman that stops at the gas station every day and fills up. Her round trip milage to / from work is 14. She must have ran out of gas at a young age. Lol

 

It’s gonna be quite awhile. Quite a while. If we were only concerned with passenger cars then it’d be much quicker. You have to factor in all the tractor trailers that go cross country daily, commercial planes, dump trucks, heavy equipment, buses that run non stop all day, large commercial ships, etc, etc. The battery technology for those items isn’t anywhere near even dreamt of. Gas and diesel stations will be around for a long time to come.