Stump rate, here is $12 dollars a tree that’s what we’re talking about. He marks trees with an X you cut them down pile brush. He counts stumps and you pay 12 dollars per What you do with wood is up to you
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Aww crap!!! Please give me the opportunity for a rebuttal, I misconstrued your definition of honey locust with hickory, when you agreed with me here. Honey Locust GALORE Post #17. A comment on honey locust. IME Hickory and honey Locust have been similar in corrosion from powder post beetles. Please allow me to petition the court allow for a withdrawl?
Permission to petition granted...please include (3) character witness statements from FHC members in good standing...also a 1 cord donation of the finest Ash and Sugar Maple splits in the land...to a soon specified Ohio address
In my opinion, I'd say a 70-30 deal is fair, but there's no way I'd be splitting his share. I'd haul the rounds out and split them AFTER they were at my house, make it clear that the deal is for you to cut and remove the wood, and leave his rounds in piles at the jobsite.
Whew Yawner, I understand folks being cautious but I'm surprised so many people are so against it. Sounds like working conditions are about as good as you could want.. no brushy undergrowth to deal with, nothing in the way...drop tree, drive up cut and load. Like some have said, work out an amount, say 90/10 or whatever makes you feel good/comfortable or what you can get away with. Drop a tree, cut it into manageable sections/pieces and take out. Like someone said, don't cut them all down at once in case his mind changes. Unless he balks, cut out a good bit for you before you leave any for him, and then do only part of his predetermined amount. If he really doesn't need the trees gone, or care, then I don't see how he's really taking advantage of you. Now if he wanted all the wood, or most if it, then yes it would be a bad deal unless he's paying. Hopefully this works out for you and you can get some good wood.
I would do what you feel is right. A lot of opinions for you to think about. But I'd be more incline to do what that other thread on here is talking about like $10 dollars a tree. My time is much more valuable than the time to fell, cut and buck, then split for him.
Im going to give my point of view from the work side of things. I'm in the process of moving the 16 cords I bought off of CL. These splits are all 4 foot long and nicely stacked. Most were standing dead oak and hickory. I literally drive right next to the stacks, toss them in a dump trailer, drive the 4.5 miles home and unload them. That's as easy as it gets. Which we all can agree with. The work comes when I move the splits at home. No equipment. Only a quad with a trailer. Im stacking most of it at my current stacks, which is uphill. If it's wet out, the trailer load needs to be less. It's taking me MUCH longer to move these 16 cords of splits then I planned. And these are much lighter than full rounds. I will be very happy when Im done! My point is don't cut yourself short with the deal. Its a lot of work.
This is some dated information, but the % are still relevant. My father was a logger in the 1950s-1970s. He stopped logging and went into the excavation business. I was home from college in the mid 1980s. We went to the woods-found a logged piece property. Bought all the tops and the standing wood down to 10"DBH-paid $5 a cord. He was selling wood for $115 a cord at the time. I'm thinking even a 90-10 split for firewood is too generous. A few local loggers offer a 50-50 split on high grade timber-wood that sells to the mills for $400 or more per 1000 bd. ft.
I have been working like a trojan on this. I still don't know how many total big trees it is, it's between 20 and 40 big ones down. A ton of work for me and one occasional helper. Red oak, willow oak, water oak, hickory. My last haul out of there, I even got an American Holly. Rare for one to grow that big, it was around 12" DBH. He said it had to go because it was in the way of something he wanted to do. This is the 2nd holly I have ever scrounged; the firewood isn't terrific, but it's fine and it's different, I like burning different. Smooth bark and has a very white meat wood. I have hauled probably half a dozen trailer loads out so far. Trying to beat the winter rains. The pond is dammed and is filling with each rain. My biggest worry now is that I was promised that the excavators would haul the big stems from out in the woods where they were pushed over to a spot next to the access road so that I could get to them over the winter... and now, the dozer is gone and the big excavator is gone. All that is left is the small one. I fear they are reneging on the deal. If that is so, I can only hope that the winter rains are not such that I cannot get to the trees. I do not have 4wd, just 2wd pickup and it gets slick on this dirt after a rain. Plus, the ground is soft in spots where they dug around with the big equipment. Oh yeah... two elms are down and I will get them. Last, lol. I am curious how they will split, I have only split on elm ever and it split (hydraulics) but it was stringy. Burned good. If it splits bad, I will get them out and then let them 'age' and try in a year or so. The attached pic is where I have some small red maple logs stacked up next to the access road, and I see one small white oak. I got permission to cut the maples I saw because the dozer was taking down all trees in this spot. These are 4-6 inch DBH maples. I also got three or four maples that are 12"-18" DBH. More pics later. The weather has been nuts. Heat wave. High was 80 degrees yesterday, Christmas day. Will be in the 70s for another week, pretty unreal even for here! Usually, the first week of January is the most likely week of the winter for winter precip. Just an observation of mine over my lifetime. We don't get much of that, maybe once per couple of years. Of course, this past February storm was the Big Anomaly, a week of frigid cold, a -1 degree record and six inches of sleet and snow for a week of sub-freezing temps. That doesn't happen very often. Maybe once each 20 years or so.
Hats off to you Bill for going at it that hard and in those temps. Hopefully the rains hold off and the temps go down some.
I'd talk right straight to the machine operator & remind him of the deal. If he balks talk to Carl & ask him to keep his word, if he doesn't give him a bill & walk.
