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Questioning decision to buy Drolet Eco-65, Opinions needed

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  1. wildwest

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    If I put the Eco-65 where the current pipe is, it will look similar to this pic off google ( not in a corner though). thanks
     
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    only thing with direct vent out the sidewall, and Wildwest, correct me if I am wrong for your area, but drifting snow can be significant......make it high enough so that you wont have to worry about the vent or intake drifting over....a bad situation, that
     
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    I have no idea how large/small his house is.... I'm guessing he has a few units and lives at or above 10,000 feet though with long harsh winters. May be an old house that isn't properly insulated for the area? There are a LOT of people here especially in my area that have electric baseboard heat so the pellet cost is still worth it, myself included. I will probably burn 3 ton this winter if it pans out to be anything like last winter.

    Too many factors to apply here without knowing the skinny on it.
     
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    WOW @Lousyweather, I have conveniently forgotten the drifts from last winter and boy was is a long and harsh one! They were so bad here husband had to shovel out infront of the garage door to back out many days. Is there more than a "like button" for this invaluable input?

    We also had a 20' drift against a shed that allowed our beloved dogs to simply "walk" over the shed, and hence the fence. One came back many hours later, the other was lost for 5 days, we miraculously got her back 30 miles away.....(needless to say the 1/4 acre yard was 10X20 til May when the drift finally melted enough. It can snow just a few inches here but the winds always manage to form on the woodpile making it harder for dear husband to get logs to split, and somehow leaves the unusable parts of the property clear. Its CRAZY.

    So for safety I am back to venting through existing woodstove pipe w a new liner.

    Is a 90* at bottom output, then 2 elbows at 45* each to bring it forward, or up & over the center of the stove safe?
     
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    I'd suggest putting a tee on the back of the stove instead of a 90* elbow. That way you have a cap you can take off to make cleaning easier. That will be a perfectly safe install. Make sure you put the 45* elbows high enough to open the hopper lid. I think they look better towards the top of the run anyways but that is my opinion only.

    Also by my memory most if not all pellet stove manufacturers actually suggest a vertical installation over any other, although direct vent or up and out installations have always worked out for my customers.
     
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    So the tee is vertical? Cap at bottom to empty? And this will make dear husband quite happy to use existing pipe!
     
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    Thanks RockyMtnHigh! I want the Drolet Eco-65. Can I use the clean out tee with this too? I understand that the example you sent is 3" pipe, but we will be using 4" pipe, no worries! Can we do a wait and see on OAK or should I do this right off the bat?
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    Oak is usually only needed in VERY airtight homes although I don't think it could ever "hurt" to have one at all.

    The tee will work fine with that stove. Make sure you use high temp silicone where the venting joins to the stove.

    Also the link I put up well at least according to the part # should be a tee that starts at 3" and increases to 4" although it looks like the picture is wrong.

    I don't have an OAK on my stove and my house is, just fine.
     
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    The drolet is a heat monster,prob. a good choice.Also you could add ductwork to it,if you do not mind looking at it.OAK is mandatory,according to manual,and insurance companies go by the mfg reccomendations.At your altitude and what you want for heat,nothing wrong with buying xtra pellets now.Just because a plant is close means nothing(as I have found out over the years) if a dist does not want to stock more in spring,only way to buy direct is a tractor/trailer load.I burned 6 ton a year before learned about sealing air leaks,burning free wood spoiled me.Now it is less than 4,stove in a dirt floor basement,3 stories,24' square cabin,so I have made improvements,but when it is -20 or more and wind blowing may have to turn on lpg.Windows and wind kill a house,have plans to remove some of mine in future.Your plan sounds doable,a 90 and 2 45's even with height should be fine.If not worried about insurance,no oak would be ok as your house not tight(I do not have one).You will create more soot on long slow burns,such as shoulder seasons.40 lb bags much easier to carry,and cleaner. http://www.drolet.ca/upload/documents/manuels/45433A_08-01-2014.pdf
     
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    @RockyMtnHigh YOU ROCK! Thank you for your input :)

    Thanks, I overlooked the expansion in the diagram of the link you sent, yep, thats what I'll get. We will likely use the oak for the insurance discount even though alot of the home is not air tight, yet...Only 1/2 the house remodeled this year. On the other hand there are not many building code requirements in wyoming. Just want to keep family safe with good ins rates. The home is already insured with 3 wood burning stoves as it is so I assume replacing the one with the eco65 will be as good but probably alot safer. As soon as construction is over we will replace parts in the BK insert as well!

    I can't tell you how much I appreciate everyone sharing their experience here. But I especially appreciate hearing your advice as you have a good idea of my climate. I already miss colorado....
     
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    Thank You @badbob!

    You are so concise putting together and answering so many questions from all my different posts in this response!

    Heat monster is what I need! Open ductwork is quite stylish these days! IF we need to heat other rooms, we can run ducts to them, or IF the stove is too hot for my main room (not possible lol) we will run ducts along the ceiling, Thanks!

    I am buying extra pellets! We removed all lpg due to handyman (dangerous) lines that were installed many years before we bought this home, re-piping it is not in the budget and we are tired of lpg after over 20 years at the old house anyway, (we used woodstove w/ lodgepole pine and some coal more than lpg there). I might be able to pool with some neighbors to pay for a tractor trailer but I would rather not chance it :) Sage advice I appreciate BadBob.

    If things get bad and we lose e- , we have a generator to run the stove. No generator, I will go to hotel, but if all else fails, roads blocked from snow drifts, if we run out of pellets I am SOL! I can't tell you how much I appreciate your input :)

    Dear husband has hunted by your neck of the woods. He told me its one of the most beautiful places in america!

    Also, we spray foamed our tall crawl space under out previous home. Our new home only had an inch or two clearance from the dirt, any tips?

    Gratefully Yours,
     
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    Wild West,
    If you took a poll on this site about OAK vs No OAK, I'm willing to bet OAK wins by a landslide, irregardless about how leaky or tight your house is. The air your stove uses for combustion is sucked out of your house (already heated by the stove) without an OAK and that air has to be made up someway, so the air outside of your house (Cold) will be sucked in through every crack imaginable. With an OAK, the combustion air is coming from outside, so you're not going to be drawing additional outside air in through the cracks.
     
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    ps, my Duramax is from Salida, went through Bailey on the way. Beautiful county!
     
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    I love it here. I have camping spots within a ten minute drive. If you and the fam ever come visit we should go check out the woods. I've only been to Wyoming once but it's beautiful as well.
     
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    well, certain parts of WY are......I used to live in Gillette (NOT beautiful), and did quite a lot of work out of Rock Springs (my oilfield daze)
     
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    ugh....don't wanna revisit THAT argument, but worth mentioning that cold air carries more oxygen than warm air, and like ole Wildwest mentioned, they are prone to drifting there.....and you DONT want to restrict your intake with anything, snow included......in their situation, unless the owners' manual specifically requires an OAK, I think I would go without and try that for a spell......if, after burning all night on a cool evening the OP sees a lazy, dead orange flame, they might wanna consider the OAK. Of course, if the owners manual requires an OAK, you should do it.
     
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    It specifics an OAK. :)

    And the drafty house thing, I think it the exact opposite. Most say if you have a drafty house, you DONT need an OAK? Well, without an OAK that house will be 2x as drafty now because you are intentionally pulling 80-85 CFM more air a minute (80 Cubic Feet of air per minute!!! That is a lot!) And will further cool your home, while you are Trying to heat it.

    Any stove that pushes air out of your home, should be pulling it from outside to. Otherwise you are putting already warm house air, outside and pulling more cold air from outdoors through the cracks, leaks, and drafts in your home..

    Thats my 2 pennies. .

    (I know you knew me or Saves was gonna comment ;) sorry bud. lol... To each their own)
     
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    For better or worse we will install an OAK to conform to a correct installation for insurance requirements.

    Our new home has an "enclosed porch" which is far from enclosed, so the OAK will have plenty of freezing fresh air there without the fear of the giant snow drifts out here. Thanks to @Lousyweather for bringing that to my attention, regarding direct venting, it could have been, bad, ....

    So OAK to porch and line the existing woodstove pipe!
     
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    Savemoney, I now have my eye on the Drolet Eco-65, I am thrilled with the cfm's and the possibility of ducting if needed. I fear the cfm on the Harman may not be enough for my unusually high temp needs, though I fear the Drolet cfm's may too be loud... What are your thoughts? I can see myself now running box fans and others to move the P68 heat around faster for me, but the Drolet will be useless if I cant find the right pellets if its picky, limited selection here.

    Can anyone else chime in on the noise level of the Eco-65? I have also found conflicting data that says its a 2 speed fan vs a variable speed fan. Can someone elaborate for me? I was assuming the variable speed was blower to home.