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First Year on Wood - Propane Bill

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  1. 303Bourbon

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    Our first year on wood, and they finally filled up the tanks. Past few years average was $1600-$1800 a year.
     

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    Oh, and we were gone two weeks after Christmas. Needless to say we're thrilled.
     
  3. Ron T

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    Now that's a nice savings! $46 for the year vs 1600-1800.
     
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    Click on the underlined part. It's $46.xx.
     
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    Thanks! That’s s big savings!!
     
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    In Ontario no less! Nicely done!
     
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    Ontario is impressive. I never turned the oil on this year. I even bought a new furnace last year LOL
    Was pretty mild down here in Ct.
     
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    Good feeling isn't it! I went from 2K annually to about 100 gal per year. Still cook & use a propane clothes dryer. Heat the hot water in the summer months. Get tank filled once a year. From 60% to 80% usually. Oh yea, & it's as warm as I want it.
     
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    Wow, I thought our bill of $38.59 for the year was good. I'm much farther south in mid Missouri. Did you keep the house warmer with the wood? I know we keep the house around 71F with wood heat. With Gask, we kept it at 65F and wore layers inside to try and keep the bill lower.

    Propane is backup heat and stove right now. I would like to change water heater to propane when the current tank dies.
    With 3 kids the electric bill is high from the well pump and water heater.

    When we bought the house the previous owner had recently installed the wood stove and HVAC system. Before it was heated with electric baseboard heaters. I can imagine the electric bill if those were still hooked up. I removed them just so they were not left on by accident.
     
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    That is what broke my neighbor, and prompted him to get an OWB. Went from killer bills, to only consuming what kept the pilot lights going.

    now, when you need a better saw, or splitter, or wherever, you know it is bought by your propane savings. Don’t cheat yourself out of things that make your CCS duties safer and easier.
     
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    Even if you had to buy some wood you would be money ahead. A good deal on a used chainsaw and you will still save over $1300. That's some serious folding money. That type of savings makes a big production log splitter make sense.

    I burned about 4 cords of hickory and Oak this winter. The chart below says that's roughly on average 1000 gallons of LP. At $1.25/gallon that saved me $1250. But last year's seasonal average was $1.80 in MO so it saved me $1800.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAKegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw31FEVm-ol5J0bdIy6iql2K

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    That's the great thing, the house is way warmer. Those propane bills was with us running the thermostat at 65 and freezing in the house, especially the basement. This year we were right between 70-75 all year. Our electric bill is high, the furnace is the only thing on gas. Also having to pay about $75/month in taxes and fees before even paying for a kilowatt doesn't help.

    I do have to pay for most of my wood, and I'm still figuring out the ROI of the stove. But I don't think it will take long to have payed for itself. It's worth it alone to not have my wife and kids freezing for six months.
     
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    Congratulations! I can’t see the attachment myself, must be an apple thing but I can imagine how that much savings helps!
     
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    Sorry. Not sure why that attachment is causing problems. Here's an image:

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    Who gets the carbon tax?
     
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    I bet you're laughing all the way to the bank.:rofl: :lol:

    I get my tank filled about every 18 to 20 months. However, propane isn't as cheap here as it is there even taking in the currency rate factor.

    I hope to extend that fill time by purchasing and installing a tankless water heater.
     
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    If you try to compare temperature to temperature cost of heating I bet you saved about $3000 of LP. It's rough guess but 5 to 10 degrees warmer takes alot more BTUs to maintain.

    If you know how many cords of what type of wood you used the chart I posted could help calculate the equivalent gallons of LP.

    Also, why is LP so cheap up north? Is it a units and currency conversion? USA $USD/ gallon vs $CAN/Liter?
     
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    I think at the end of the day I'll be right around 4.5 or 5 cords. All ash.

    Yes it's CAD cost per litre. The cost fluctuates, in the middle of February it will be up somewhere near $0.80/litre.
     
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    The numbers make more sense now.

    At 5 cords of Ash that's about 1100 gallons of LP or 4160 liters. At $.67/L that's $2787 of LP at paid fill price. At $.8/L that would have been $3328. That is your effective savings.

    Based on past cost you saved roughly $1700 in real dollars. You saved on average $3000 of equivalent dollars if you had kept the house warmer in the past.

    Accounting is black magic when it comes to money saved. For me, real dollars is what is in my hand/bank. I can use it. The other is imaginary, but possible savings if you had all things equal.