Help a newbie with IDing

Hey everyone, new guy here...I've been cutting and burning for a few years now but have never paid much attention to what I'm dealing with. I've slowly picked up on a few species but have questions on IDing a few here. Any help would be appreciated! I can also split it if that would help.

 

Picture 1 in the back at about 10 o'clock is a piece of hackberry. The main rounds in pictures 1 and 2 look like some sort of pine. 3 looks like ash and 4, I'm clueless. All, except the hackberry are a guess.

 

Haha well the hackberry wasn't supposed to show...that's one of the few I can easily recognize. There's no pine in this timber that I know of, but anyway...thanks for the info!

 

Iding? I thought that's what happens if you dropped an apple.

 

#3 green ash #4 im guessin is ash to

 

1: Cottonwood?
2: Not sure
3: Not Sure
4: Elm?

 

#1 .....?
#2 black walnut
#3 ash
#4 ash

 

1 White oak or Swamp White oak
2 Black walnut
3 Ash
4 Hackberry?

 

Thanks a lot for the help!
1. I'm pretty sure isn't Cottonwood, it cut and felt really solid more like oak or something so that could make sense.
2. From searching Google for Black Walnut that does seem right.
3 & 4 idk anything about Ash but they look pretty similar so I'll go with that for now. I know neither of them are Hackberry.
Now to find time to split the big pile before it gets too hot...

 

Welcome to the club. Lots of great folks here sharing knowledge and humor. If you can split some of that, it will help with ID

 

So, after looking at this on the computer rather than the phone, I have to say #2 is black walnut and #1 may be oak. #4 still has me puzzled.

 

Welcome to the FHC Anthony Helmuth Great place to learn & laugh & share. We love pics...trees, logs, loaded trucks chain saws, GF's, wives etc. Well maybe not the last one!
1 End grain of log looks like white oak and the bark sort of has a "white oakey" look to it.
2 not sure, but does have a walnut look to it with the dark heartwood.
3 ash
4 ash
pics of splits are helpful as well.

 

1 - Red oak, all oaks have "rays" in the heart wood radiating out from the center as continuous lines to the sapwood. Red oak heart wood is red and white oak is white or tan. Red oak leaves have pointy tips and white oak leaves have rounded tips. White oak tends to have shaggy bark while red oak has thicker ridge type bark. Both oaks have white or pale sapwood. If there are no "rays" in the heartwood than "1" is not oak.

2 - Walnut, chocolate brown heart wood and white sapwood. The bark is a little flaky and the flakes are chocolate brown.

3 - White ash, a pale wood without a contrast between heartwood and sapwood (oaks and walnut have clear contrast). White ash has a criss-cross ribbon bark pattern, Green ash has these same characteristics but green ash criss-cross ribbon bark has shallower ridges and more narrow ribbons.

4 - Black ash, darker wood than white and green ash with a shaggy bark instead of ribbons.

Ash trees are best identified by the twigs which sprout opposite each other instead of in an alternating pattern. Ash trees and walnuts have leaflets, smaller leaves on a stem instead of a single leaf.

I struggle with number 4. Bark patterns can vary a lot for a tree specie. I would have started by checking the twigs, opposite branching would confirm ash. The wood color in 4 creates uncertainty. A hackberry with shaggy bark would have egg shell white heartwood which changes to mottled grey quickly. The picture looks mottle grey. Hackberry heartwood has smaller pores than ash and so cuts smoother faces with a chainsaw compared to ash. Smooth egg white wood aging to mottled gray would be hackberry. Aging hackberry gets gray even before cutting. I always start with twigs for an ID.

I never get IDs correct from pictures but know the locals in the field.

 

#3 is 1000% Ash

Not too sure about the rest, though.

 

Yeah, like sour gym socks. Especially red oak!
Hickory smells like cow manure.

 

Welcome to FHC Anthony. You'll like it here. We like dogs and pics and beer.

 

1 oak 100% (hackberry at 10 o'clock)
2 black walnut
3 Looks like ash but is kinda dark for ash
4 stains in sapwood looks like ash. Darker than the ash i get. I dont know the different ash species.