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Hand splitting red elm

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  1. buZZsaw BRAD

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    Its been my experience if fresh cut living (green) elm dries for a bit and the ends check, its a MAJOR effort to hand split. I usually turn away any partly dried/dead elm for that reason. My red elm score from yesterday was less than 24 hours cut so i decided to CS right away. I cant tell you the last time ive taken this much elm from a score as its been that long.
    Most of the logs halved in 3 whacks. The first blow would bounce off and whacks 2, 3, or 4 would finish it. Split pretty straight and clean all the way through. Most were so wet they gave a "spit" upon impact with the Fiskars. Does the moisture content affect the stringiness of the split?
    IMG_0402.JPG First round i split. 11 diameter, 16" long, right through a knot too.
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    Grain was rather straight on most. Once halved they split in one whack.
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    Even the gnarly grained ones split. A couple need noodling though.
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    I decided to try one of "Y" logs and 3 whacks did it.
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    Another "Y" log that took 3 whacks.
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    I was tiring and didnt want to try this last Y, but did and same...3 whacks.
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    I was slacking a bit and this one round reminded me it was elm. The worst one for twisty grain at the other end.
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    Decent mound of splits. Straight and not all stringy.
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    Mound of shorts, uglies, gnarlies etc. Few left to split and noodle. Maybe 25% ended up here, but that is usually the case on roadside scores regardless of wood type.
    So, would i take an elm score like this again? Yes! I wasnt going full bore driving in a 6" railroad spike in one blow type of swing, but much more oomph than if i was splitting red oak or ash from my recent scores. Would i want to hand split elm like this all the time...NO!
     
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    That's some nice looking wood. My experience with Elm is similar. Either split it right away or wait till it's frozen solid. Nice work!
     
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    I had frozen green red elm two Winters ago and it was a MF to split.
     
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    Beautiful wood. Any chance you can get some good bark pics? I have a hard time finding pics of red elm bark for some reason.
     
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    look at my post from last night Moparguy "an empty truck is a plus..."
     
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    Thanks. It's ridiculously difficult to find good images of the difference between American and Red Elm on Google images. Some of the images even contradict one another.
     
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    I agree. I wasnt 100% sure this was red elm as have almost no experience with it. The wood i took was the smaller diameter so dunno if trunk bark is different Moparguy
     
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    Some pretty wood/ grain there Brad. Must be a reason it’s not used as a fine lumber tho. Must be as tough to work in the wood shop as it is in the wood pile.
     
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    Nice looking splits! I split in that direction too. But I can't do elm. IMG_20190524_083944156_HDR.jpg
     
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    Im not sure Joe. I think it is not dimensionally stable when dry. Prone to checking/twisting? I could be wrong. Mebbe one of the milling guys could answer that.
     
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    Workability is usually the category that makes the largest determination. Sounds like working with aromatic cedar but harder. It’s hard to get furniture quality planing done on aromatic without a lot of tear out.
    Red Elm | The Wood Database - Lumber Identification (Hardwood)
     
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    We'll have to do a comparison, Brad. I have some red elm (up to 24 inch rounds -- had to have been well over 100 pounds apiece, and maybe close to 200, given how wet they were) from my recent score. I was able to split the smaller rounds (say, 10 inches and under) from the upper limbs pretty easy. Did nearly half a cord of that. But, when I started into some of the bigger rounds, still very wet, I found it very difficult to get through, even with wedges and sledges. I was thinking I'd let them sit and dry for a little bit before trying again (or, alternatively, borrowing my friend's splitter! :whistle:). I'll roll one of the big rounds out this weekend and give it some whacks. Of course, I have to get down to the big rounds cuz I just piled a bunch of rounds I cut from my next door neighbor on the elm rounds last night. Gotta get through them first! :axe:
     
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    There was some large wood from the tree but i only grabbed what i could left RobGuru This was the thread i posted on Wednesday.
    An empty truck is a plus when you score wood by accident.
    I wondered if the larger trunk rounds would split the same as the stuff i grabbed. Largest round i bucked was 11". Even those were heavy and laden with water.
     
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    The Fiskars did that ! Man you did a good job on that Elm.I have some Elm to split which takes a axe a sledge and three wedges to split.By the way let me get out to that pile right now.Bye !
     
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    How'd you make out with your elm Rich L ? I finished it off yesterday. Wasnt much left. 3 logs left to noodle.
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    Man that some delicious looking wood.Me I got about a half cord left to do.My wood is dead and dried Elm so I'm not rushing to split but so much at a time.I work three jobs so I pace myself.I keep my Elm covered.It loves to suck up water.When do you think it'll be ready ?
     
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    are you referring to my splits being dried ready to burn Rich L ? 2020-21 burning season.
     
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    Yes that's what I mean.That due date is about right.
     
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    Good looking wood. We don't see it out here in California.
     
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    not a species i normally take bigfrank , but it was sitting roadside, fresh cut and as a dedicated hoarder i couldnt drive by W/O stopping for some.
     
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