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New saw...run it first or port it out of the box?

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by GrJfer, May 7, 2014.

  1. clemsonfor

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    I thought like the bandit??

    Stihl is that way too buy a 440 as a homeowner you get a year if our a tree service or logger or other commercial app you get 6 months right?? Forget all the oil buying stuff in this scenario.
     
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    I have not had my hands on a new saw for many years now, but if I did, I would run it for a good part of the warranty period without modifying it. Especially if it was one of those new-fangled M-Tronic jobs that a dealer is going to have to fix. Unless I lived down the street from someone who could bail me out, I would not consider porting it/voiding warranty. A muffler mod that other's experience has shown would stay within M-Tronic's range response would be a different story. I'd just have to have a second one that it wore back to the dealer. ;)

    But then, I wouldn't buy one of those new gizmos in the first place anyway! :emb:
     
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    After working on different generations of saws from husky and stihl it's obvious they've "value engineered" them to save a few pennies per unit.

    And then added complexity to the carbs where a screwdriver would do just fine... Not what I will buy until they start showing up broken down and cheap on cl.
     
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    For the added warranty, the oil or pre mix must be on the original sales receipt. I have bought the pre mix to get the additional 2 years. It is laughable that buying 3 quarts of fuel would extend the warranty. With these bigger saws you could burn that up in a day.

    I like the pre mix though for storing saws. I run the tank almost empty, then add 5-6 oz of pre mix which is supposed to be stable for 2-3 years, run a minute to get into the carb, shut off and put away. Actually better than running dry.

    FWIW, if you cut the plastic thingy out in the mouth of the pre mix cans, (so you can't put a funnel and refill) with a utility knife, the cans make great containers for packing gas into the woods.
     
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    Run it a bit first... Then go for it !
     
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  6. GrJfer

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    Saw is in bound. I found like new 5-8 tanks of fuel through it 562xp. It will wear a 20" techlite bar. So since I am not the original owner warranty will not apply to me. The saw is stick originally from Terry wicked work saws.

    Plan is to run the saw for a while and see what I think of it. If it is all everyone says it is I may not feel the need to port it. However I kind of got the bug for a ported saw. MORE POWER. Had thought of porting the MS261, but I think the 562XP would be the more bang for the buck option.
     
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    How so? Unless we're talking homeowner saws.... I have seen a bit of that with Husky, especially during the latter Electrolux years but not Stihl. The MS260, 440, 460, 660, 880 are all nearly identical (nearly identical manufacturing wise, similar but not identical performance-wise. ;) ) to the original 026, 044, 046, 066, and 088 models before them. And those were better performers than the 028, 038, 048, 056, and 076 models they replaced. Engineering improvements like plastic covers have made saws lighter, more durable, and less expensive to manufacture. Don't get me wrong, I think magnesium has it's place too, but I like my saws to be an appropriate mix of both, not entirely one or the other. I do own and appreciate the nostalgia of all mag saws however. :cool: I even have a couple all-plastic saws too. :eek:

    You're gonna be waiting awhile. All those saws that land on CL because of plugged up spark arrestors, lean seized top-ends, and grossly maladjusted carburetors will be very few and far between. I too am curious to see how the MT/AT saws age but I think you're going to be picking from straight-gassed, crushed, or plain worn-out models in the CL bargain bin. ;)

    That screwdriver works just fine for you, me, and most of the others reading this but to the VAST majority of the saw buying public, MT/AT and eventually fuel injection will gain universal acceptance for the same reasons it did in the automotive industry. No different than you or I being able to walk out to a car or truck equipped with a non-electric choke carburetor, jump in, hook the choke, hit the key and fire it right up. I bet the average driver out there under the age of 40 would have a very rough morning (especially winter in Maine!) trying to get that vehicle started. That screwdriver is only as good as the guy/gal holding it. As saw enthusiasts we should be happy to have something that genuinely advances the performance of the machine under all conditions without user intervention. Those kinds of improvements are few and far between. The manufacturer's could have slapped catalytic mufflers on everything and called it a day. It's important to remember a MT/AT carburetor is still just a carburetor that works like any other carburetor. The only substantial difference is that the mixture screws have been replaced with high-speed solenoids controlled by a tach sensor in the ignition and a microprocessor. And we've had microprocessors on saws for years now.
     
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    You're starting to amass good candidates for porting, MS261C-M, the 562XP, .... What's next? :popcorn:
     
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    We'll, maybe so ............................... but I still think it is going to take a long time before screwdriver toting folks like me buy into all the hype! :whistle:
     
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    I turn those screwdrivers a lot, I ain't gonna miss it. :) It will be a fun hobby when working on an old saw tho. :rofl: :lol:
     
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    How so?

    Things like single bar studs... Or the latest I just noticed on the ms 361 they did away with the little screw that holds on the black cover over the throttle linkage on the rear handle. Instead they used a snap in place piece... Maybe it will last as long but it sure is easier to remove a screw then fiddle with the new design. And if you break the tabs it's time for the duct tape or a new one... The screw will always provide a more positive connection then flimsy tabs.


    There will be plenty of auto tune and moronics to buy once the warranties run out. When saws develop mysterious hot start and stalling when you set it down symptoms people will do the math. At 75 an hour to diagnose plus parts... They will dump them pretty fast.
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    The single bar stud was a move made on the homeowner saws using the 3005 (Mini) mount so no bars over 18" or saws over 50cc. Wait and see on that one. I have heard of one failure to date. I doubt it saves them anything other than weight.

    The 361 handle cover? Draw. Folks strip the screw threads out all the time too.
     
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    The 241 is a pro saw with a single bar stud.

    Strip the screw? Just grab a slightly bigger one from the junk drawer instead of a trip to the stealer ship... Don't forget the husky plastic intake clamp ;)
     
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    So is the MS150, MS200, MS200T, MS201, MS201T...... Like I said, I doubt it saves them anything from a manufacturing POV, they still have a part to drill and tap for, just not a full stud. I will get an up close look at the MS241C-M this week and see what I think about that one. I highly doubt they deleted a bar stud to save a few pennies on a $500+ top-line saw. The MS170 -> MS171, I could see that.

    The MS251 is the one to watch I think. But there are so many improvements to that machine over the old MS250 (especially the air filter setup!) that I hope the single bar stud doesn't turn out to be a big deal.

    I don't get the plastic clamp either. Or the plastic tank/rear handle assembly that ALWAYS cracks on saws that spend their lives riding in trucks, not sitting on shelves. The latter electrolux years were not kind to the durability of some of their saws, even pro-models.
     
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    I can understand some of this banter ! But.....I have collected..fixed..used....all sorts of saws .Really old...antique..vintage..newer..and new . I had a thing for the old blue Homelites . They were very heavy duty . They were also very HEAVY !! They were also slow and vibrated the pizz out of the users hands and arms ! I think its a fine line between "cheapening" up and making improvements in power to weight ratios while still being "heavy duty " . Everyone has there own opinion I guess . New technology isnt going away . So either embrace it...or get good at fixin the "old" stuff .
    For me personally........I like to have a couple new ..hopefully "reliable" saws on the shelf that can be counted on . Then I like the older stuff to play with..and experiment with .........and use now and then . Thats just me !
     
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    For me the best mix of power, reliability, weight etc. is the late model 2xx-xp series of husqvarna (with air injection) Simple no nonsense chainsaws with all the modern safety features built for power and reliability and light weight... Chainsaws have just gotten more complicated since and probably will get more so until the I/C engine is replaced by a fuel cell.
     
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    I agree with your pick of vintage Husky hardware. Would not mind having a 254XP and a 262XP around here at all.
     
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    I agree also . 257.....262xp....two of my favorites !!
     
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    I would love to have a blue (Super?)EZ Had a shot and at a red Super EZ Auto for peanuts and waited too long. :(

    Just neat looking saws.
     
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    From a users standpoint, the new Autotunes are fantastic performers...
    I like turning screwdrivers, but when I got 2 solid days of cutting staring me in the face, the one saw in my shop that ALWAYS goes on the truck, is the Autotune from Terry...
    Always...