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Actually I'm happy that the competition is heating up....
bout time Ford made a decent diesel. They fell about 20 years behind with the 7.3 and 6.0....the 6.4 were good and now the 6.7 is a monster!

Of course, Cummins will just turn the torque knob up another 5-10 ft lbs ...

I wouldn't be surprised if we see 1000fp in a year or two... You see FCA didnt bring out a 2019 yet? They wont bring out a new design with "2nd best" in class power!

(Thanks for the number correction, i haven't been keeping up lately)

 

Nope, nope, nopity, nope...

 

Actually the reason the chrysler has the Italian eng is they own a good percentage of that company. so ya cheaper X2 one of the jap co. latched on to the little Cummins.
Ford 7.3 6.0 and 6.4 base unit International with tweaks by Ford, 6.7 full in house design/mfg, As with all things regulated by EPA. it is the EPA compliance components that are causing the problems. Although the 7.3 had a rash of problems with the crank sensor course that was a chi-com part. there were some others ,but I do not remember them at present Every one is having problems with oil pan rust outs ( from the inside out) - again cheap chi-com steel mfg. Fuel line and brake lines rotting that can only be blamed squarely on the mfgs for switching away from stainless to save a few pennies. PCV systems on DI units are trashing the valves and turbos by 100k or sooner depending on type of driving ( city being a killer). So in about another 25K I will need a new head and likely turbo on my 2L Ford. Likely trade in time at that point due to cost of repair/replacement. I keep a bumper to bumper after market warranty on that unit just because of this. Got to play the % game. No matter what mfg there seems to gotchas involved that generally run in the $4-5 digit range repair wise. Course when one looks back 40 or so years inflation wise it is about the same- sure don't feel that way though. Back in the day I could repair just about anything on the cars/ tractors ectera with out spending 3 or4 hours trying to understand a flow chart of the computerized system first. I am getting better at it, but the edumacation hurts $$$$.

 

(you stopped short on that quote)

The 7.3L were good dependable engines, but were not keeping up very well with epa standards (or potential power additions like what was available for cummins).
When the power wars took off, the (2003)ford went to the notsodependable 6.0l. till 2007, 05, '10 (depending on model.)
The 6.4l was relieved from duty after just 3 years. It was a pretty decent engine power wise but not particularly dependable... Thanks in part to some left over 6.0 parts that were still in use...

So, over a 17 year period (94-2010), Power Stroke fell behind in the diesel pick-up truck category. Sadly, the ford buyers/owners were left to spend thousands of dollars (5-10 thousand in some cases; see class action lawsuit) to try to make their rigs last a long life...like a diesel should.
Navistar and Ford wouldn't even stand behind their own name/brand warranty. Ultimately, forcing Ford to produce their own diesel engines. Thats when (2010)Ford really stepped it up and developed the 6.7 in house.

 

On purpose...my point was that the 7.3 (PS) doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the 6.0...even the 6.4.
7.3 PS may not have been perfect, but still makes used Fords command premium prices...25 years after first released...

 

Agreed! 15 years ago a 1997 F-350 crew cab with a 7.3 was going for $15k with 75-150k on them.

Today, that same truck will STILL sell for $15K but with 200k+ miles on them.

 

And a lot of that is because you can't give a 6.0L away.
People will buy a dependable (but somewhat underpowered by comparison) 7.3 over a 6.0L all day long.

Some say the 7.3 was the best engine International ever built.

 

My buddy still sells trucks...he just recently told me prices on 6.0's are back up...the ones that are left have already been "bulletproofed" and are just fine now.
I know there are more than a few former 6.0 trucks that are "Fummins" now too...

 

I was just reading truck news headlines and the 2019 Ram HD was listed as a #1 truck.

There is not a 2019 HD truck on our local lot yet! You can apparently order one...so does that mean its a late or mid year 19, or an early release 2020?

Either way, it better be good!
Im mot sure if FCA/Ram can beat Ford's towing capacity but they have to at least match it. And they certainly will need to beat Ford's hp power or torque!
Of course, SAE will need to certify these numbers also.

The battle is heating up. Can't wait to see coverage from the 2019 Auto Show starting Monday! Im hoping to see at least 950 ft lbs in a pick-up

 

Wasn't too many years ago the horsepower and torque that the pickups have now was a decent running semi engine

 

Thats for sure.

I do a lot of driving and I've noticed that I'm chasing some semi trucks up mountains where we were used to wait behind them going 25-35 mph.

we were on the turnpike last week and i had a flatbed full of steel pass me at 85mph... staight-pipes just ROARING!!!
and of course, the occasional Jake brake rattling my windows!

 

The Cummins can do that 24/7/365 the Powerstroke can only do it once.

 

You been drinking IP??

 

I think he has been nipping the DEF and I am not slapping the big C's. I have had 6.9, 7.3 and now a 6. 0 . gave up on the 6.9 when the rest of the truck died from orange death and the mice chewing on the electrical harness. 7.3 crank sensor , turbo bearings ( rebuilt it fine since) and head gasket - no idea why that went- wiring harness for injectors built into gasket $ouch, and again flippin mice chewing on harness, 6.0 full delete, no chip - replaced hpfp as it died at 210000 miles , mice built a nest by the intake manifold DR side took a little over 2 hours to dig that out about 2 weeks ago. I have a pin hole leak in the fuel lines ( low pressure)on the drivers side somewhere around the steering gearbox. I think it is where the lines are clipped ( metal clip) to the cross member at the front of the eng. Corrosion thing not an eng fault. I am not using these a everyday drivers - hence the mice attacks I guess.

 

First, do not read this as Ford vs Chevy vs Ram, it is Cummins vs Powerstroke vs Duramax.

Cummins IS the GOLD standard of diesel engines, FACT.

I really do not care what vehicle it is in.

The cummins was originally designed to be used in generator applications and was built to run balls to the wall 24/7/365 which it can do.

Cummins is the only true medium duty engine in the group.

Cummins routinely run 1 million miles.

 

ironpony my niece the diesel mechanic, would agree with you 100%. And don't ever put a g after cummins

 

we should probably take the diesel discussion to a new thread rather than clog up this 1/2 ton buyers guide discussion.
anyone object?

 

The 6.0 is a good motor, that has been plagued by EPA regs. Once bulletproofed it’s reliable. Sad thing is EPA regs are killing all these brands. Some of the manufacturers have dealt better with the regs than others. All the brands have been good motors once going under the knife. It’s just damm sad to have to put $$$$ into an already expensive vehicle.

 

Another similarity we all probably we share within the FWH brotherhood/sisterhood, and among all outdoors folk is a deep appreciation of our trucks, and appreciation of all trucks in general. We may rib and argue finer points of each brand, but deep down we share a common ground when our trucks are used to their capacity. We love talking about trucks with anyone with a similar affinity.

I just glanced out the window at mine and got a good feeling. Its 13 years old but well maintained inside and out, and even happens to be clean right now! I even baby it most of he the time, until it needs to be called into some serious action, and then it is ready to get it done!

Think of all the memories our trucks help us make...for some their livelihoods. And our memories of old trucks from the past, even back to childhood, hold a special place in our hearts and minds...sappy but true...no?