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Replacing the old Pull Chain light for a new drop ceiling is Plug & Play

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  1. don2222

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    Hello

    The old pull chain does not cut the mustard with the new drop ceiling. Just removed the old pull chain socket, Mark the wires with a black marking pen, put in a wall switch and just did a lil lectrical and pluged in the new one. The light panel can be moved to a different square very easily too.

    Has anyone else done something like this?
    How did you do it?

    Pic1 - Old Pull Chain
    Pic2 - Drop ceiling pane with pancake electrical box
    Pic3 - New workbox and outlet
    Pic4 - Twist, solder and duct tape wires
    Pic5 - Plug in Panel
    Pic6 - screw in bulbs
    Pic 7&8 - It works and looks good!
     

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    Soldering a light fixture is sort of overkill.
    Wire nuts would suffice... Actually on second glance the duct tape as your insulator is a big no-no.
    You need to wire nut the connections at the fixture, they probably supplied then in a parts bag with the new fixture.

    Could you expand on why you ran the light to a plug?
    If any of the above post seems pushy/harsh - not my intention just trying to keep you and your family safe
     
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    I hope you don't take this the wrong way.

    Duct tape is not a proper insulating wrap over a soldered connection. Soldered connection isn't too common, though as far as I can find in the NEC it's ok... just need to tape up with electrical tape.

    Metal boxes need to be grounded (they may be, I can't quite tell in the pics)

    Ground wires needs to have a wire nut. Just twisting together isn't a mechanical connection.

    20amp receptacle. Is that circuit 20 amps or 15? You can put a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp circuit but not vice versa.

    The Romex sheathing going into the box shouldn't be that long. Should be terminated near the entrance of the box, and then at least 6" of wire available.

    The wires need to be stapled within 12" of the boxes.

    I have not worked on many drop ceilings but I am quite certain you can't hang a light from a tile like that. The mounting box needs to be attached to a joist, or be suspended on it's own similar to how the grid is suspended.

    I'm not sure a power cord can be used in that manor... may want to check into it.
     
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    Thanks, you are right about the duct tape, I am changing that to wire nuts. Thanks

    The reason for the plug makes it easier to take the light and panel down. Also I can change the light to another square easily if need be.

    I will get more of the scotch locks like the ones I used in the work box. These grab better than the wire nuts that come with the fixture
    [​IMG]
     
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    http://www.aifittings.com/products/spec-sheets/FS427SCL.pdf

    As stated duct tape is illegal.. Box if metal must be grounded.. Must be hard wired.. Wirenuts if installed correctly are fine.. Sometimes it's a good idea to hire a licensed electrician or you could have a fire or electrocution hazard..

    Ray
     
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    You should probably follow Ray's advice.
    I'm not sure of the "gray" area with using SO cord on a permanent/movable light fixture.
    I've only ever seen BX(shielded cable) running to fixtures in drop ceilings - not sure if that is a code requirement in residential?
     
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    SO cord is illegal as well.. Just because it works doesn't make it correct.. No offense to anyone but I will not give advice unless I sense some basic electrical knowledge.. Pete needed advice and he had a pretty good handle on things so I felt comfortable giving advice which he followed.. I just worry that someone could hurt themselves, their family or their property and I don't want to be part of the problem..

    Ray
     
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    I'd at least glue a 1/2 inch piece of plywood to the back of the ceiling tile for some fixture support.
    Likely not code but at least a little more better.

    I don't like soldering solid conductor wire either. Doesn't stand up to vibration nor temperature fluctuations.
    Use 3M 33 or 88 tape. I prefer 33.
     
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    " You can put a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp circuit but not vice versa"
    ????
     
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    You can't use a 20amp receptacle on a 15A circuit.
    If you wire everything with 12ga on a 20A breaker the standard 15a receptacles will pass through 20a fine.
    The 20amp receptacle used in the picture should be on a dedicated 20a breaker
     
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    The 20 amp receptacle would be protected by a 15 amp device so what would be the issue?
    Codes wont allow a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp circuit.
     
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    Yes in fact it can be downright scary! One thing one needs to keep in mind with wiring is connections are the weakest link in any electrical system.. Poor connections create heat which create even looser connections and eventually fire.. That being said an electrical system is as good as it's connections.. If you have a single outlet the outlet must be rated what the circuit is rated.. IE, single 20 amp outlet requires 20 amp receptacle.. The problem with using a 20 amp rated outlet on a 15 amp ckt. is you could plug in a 20 amp load such as an AC etc. and create an overload situation.. Not many devices come equipped with a 20 amp plug so you'd probably not have an issue if you did have 20 amp outlets but do keep this in mind..

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    Maybe I did not understand what basod was posting, yea not very many 20 amp plugs out there.
    I see why he said what he did now but a 20 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit would just blow a fuse or trip a breaker in a overload situation.
     
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    Always best to avoid that situation OS.. Many people would think something was wrong if they plugged in a 20 amp plug into a 20 amp outlet and tripped the breaker at 15 amps.. Best to err on the safe side of caution.. In your home you'd probably be fine as you are aware of them..

    Ray
     
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    All my outlets are on 20 amp circuits any way.
     
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    Never heard of soldering house wiring.
    I always do a quick tape wrap on the bottom of wire nuts, maybe not nessacery but, when craming stuff back in it gives me piece of mind
     
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    I posted last night but I guess it didn't take.

    I'm not an electrician so my above post in regards to the photos were just general "handyman" knowledge.
    The NEC is overwhelming with all of the tables, charts, exceptions, etc.

    The 20 amp outlet on a 15 amp line is a "minor" issue I just figured I'd mention it.
    In theory it would allow a not common 20 amp item to be plugged in (ac?, heater?).

    15 amp on a 20 amp line is ok provided its more than 1 outlet. Which is most all "duplex" outlets.
    I'm not sure on the "why".
     
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    Soldering was done on knob and tube wiring using T-tap splicing so you could branch off the main lines.. Solder makes very good connections but proper taping must be done afterwards.. You can also pigtail or western union splice then solder.. Learned how to do these splices in freshman year at vocational school 1971 and yes I have done them on old wiring a few times..

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-splice
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_union_splice

    Ray
     
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