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Does your manual specify an upper safe surface temperature? (mine doesn't)

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  1. Greg 496

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    So I would have thought the manual (Quadrafire) would have specified a recommended upper temperature limit, but it does not. I would have thought it would be good information to include. It does give a vague instruction to not overfire the stove. Thoughts on this?
     
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    Welcome to the club Greg 496 :handshake:

    My knowledge is limited here but my understanding is that if there is no temperature listed then you are not over firing unless you have external parts of the stove flowing. However I try to keep my stove top temp limited to a peak of 750*

    I'm sure someone will be along to give you a better answer than that soon enough.
     
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    It is very rare to get a max temp in the manual. If you break your stove they will almost certainly say that you overfired it. It’s easier for them to say this if they don’t offer a max temp. Perhaps its a rotten, crooked, manufacturer trick. Maybe not.

    If external parts glow it’s too hot! If something breaks, you have to prove it wasn’t your fault for running it too hot.
     
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    My manual , Lopi Republic 1750
    Over-Firing the Stove
    This stove was designed to operate at a high temperature. But due to differences in vent configuration,
    fuel, and draft, this appliance can be operated at an excessive temperature. If the stove top or other area
    starts to glow red, you are over-firing the stove. Shut the air control down to low and allow the stove to
    cool before proceeding.
    Over-firing may lead to damage of plated surfaces. If you are uncertain of over-firing conditions, we
    suggest placing a stove thermometer (e.g. Rutland® Model 710) directly over the door on the stove top -
    temperatures exceeding 800° are generally considered over-firing and will void the warranty.
     
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    Greg, I have run my Quadrafire to a stove top temp of 600 to 700 regularly for 5 years. Nothing broke yet.
     
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    Soapstone stoves recommended high is 700. Many stoves recommend 750 for the high but we know of many stoves that have been run at 800 with no damage done. My thoughts is that it is best to stay on the lower side, like the 700 or even 650. That will usually give you enough heat to keep you warm but no chance of doing harm to the stove.

    I do know we ran our stove over 700 a couple times and ended up warping the frame that the cat sits in. Yet, it was not costly nor difficult to change it out. But since we've gone to steel cats, we've not had the stove over 700 to my knowledge. With the ceramic cats we did have to be a bit cautious.
     
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    Hearthstone soapstone stoves have a much lower limit. I recall 550 or 600 for my heritage. At least they gave a number!
     
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    I don't know if my manuals have a "upper temp limit" recommendation, but I know I wouldn't be close to it anyway. I don't run the stoves balls out (steam engine expression).

    I lit my "kicker stove" yesterday and it (stove top) fluctuated between 250-450 depending on the usual stuff.
     
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    No max temp listed in mine either. Regularly run it up past 700...no ill effects. Like to stay in the 400-550 range but when I cut the air with 3 or 4 splits raging in there it will peak out at 700ish before coming back down.
     
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    Yes, flowing is a pretty universal indication of overfire. :rofl: :lol:
     
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    :yes::D
    If your stove looks like this is probably overfired :hair::rofl: :lol:

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    Mine has a thermometer that measures combusted (catalyst) temp. Is that the same as surface temp? My manual doesn’t specify manual max temps either. Just a very vague don’t overtire....
     
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    You can have this one, HDRock . :D
     
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    Steel melts at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit :D;) :smoke::)
     
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    :rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol: Yikes!! If my stove was flowing I would be :hair:

    I'm not sure how I missed that. I always try to read over posts to make sure I'm good grammatically. Good catch bushpilot :yes:
     
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    No, that is not the same; not even close. Your cat temp may be over 1000 but stove top might be 500 or thereabouts. Generally speaking, stove top will measure about half the temperature as in the firebox. Cat temperature can get really high.
     
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    Thanks everyone for the replies. It seems based on the other manuals 750-800 is a typical maximum. I realize this will vary with design details. The dealer made an interesting comment: "you can't overfire it unless you leave the door open". I don't take this to be 100% true, but I get the idea. Even at wide open, the draft is sufficiently restricted by design that overfiring isn't likely. In any case, the stove seems to work well and I am happy with my choice so far.
     
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    Definitely not true , You can overfire with the door shut .
     
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    This is very much not true. If the dealer said this to you then I would suspect he doesnt know what hes talking about. If there is someone else at the stove store who is more knowledgeable then I would speak with them and not this person. If that was my employee they would get schooled. By the way... welcome to FHC!! Youve come to the right place.
     
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