EPA vs Non-EPA

Ok, how does one explain the "carbon foot print tax" Your still polluting but now you're paying the Government to pollute!

Correct! I'm with you there!
I also want to make note on the Great Lakes and Ocean pollution, "THAT" is where the EPA has done some wonderful things and I can attest to that here near the Delaware bay. Many chemical components were dumped into the bay and killing fish and wildlife, *NOTE* These were not natural things!!! Man made and very conflicting with Mother nature. Fire, smoke is "natural" and has been burning for hundreds of thousands of years in many different forms! Suddenly the EPA says our wood stoves are causing problems? "NOT" I'm not going to get into the political discussion, This is not where it belongs but I will say this, do some SERIOUS homework and go back to the 70's as I did and look who "PUSHED" the whole issue. This started with the West Coast, California, Oregon and Washington.

This issue can be debated till the cows come home and again I will say the EPA has a place and Frankly a good one "IF" they stick to their job! When it comes to wood stoves, "In my opinion" they should stay out of it. Mainly because the next trash fire you see on TV or a Junk yard tire fire will put out more pollutants than all of us here combined.

 

It is not "directly stated" It was a matter of who directed. Notice when one political party or another is in control, things lean one way or another, That's all I'm going to say about it. No need to debate the issue because that's not what this forum is about. I'm just stating what happened durning that time frame. I just want to put this out though, I have a very good friend that I've kicked a many of cold Beers back with He works for the USGS and he is a tenured Professor. I will quote him: "Depending on what political party is in office will depend on which information is dispersed to the American public"! That will also dictate "who makes laws" for what, There is my point. When you here this coming from a man who works in Washington and is generally neutral, really makes you think!

 

Heres a beginning of a story/news article in 2014 which makes absolutely no sense at all in reference to EPA standards. It states new rules making stoves 80% cleaner. "BUT" doesn't apply to a variety of other "wood burning things"
Why? Pollution is Pollution is Pollution, correct? Not to mention, when most of us are using our wood stoves, It's cold out and everyones windows are shut! I can attest to this that, living in a resort area we have 9 campgrounds within a 10 mile radius. You can smell smoke every single night in the summer from May through October. Right now we have a Campground about 1-1/2 mile away gearing up for Halloween fun and activities. They have a mini-bon fire almost every night for the Kids and families. Where are the EPA regulations here? The thing is, someone is in someones pocket book!!! If the EPA was about "stopping pollution" it would put a lot of people out of business because revenue would go into the toilet.
Health & Science
EPA moves to regulate new wood stoves



By Lenny Bernstein
January 3, 2014

The Environmental Protection Agency moved Friday to curb emissions of particles and gases from residential wood stoves and other wood-fired heaters built in 2015 or later, an effort to combat pollutants that can present a significant health hazard in parts of the country.

The proposed new rules would require manufacturers of wood stoves, wood-pellet stoves, forced-air wood furnaces, wood boilers, fireplace inserts and masonry heaters to build a generation of devices that burn 80 percent more cleanly than current models. The rules would go into effect in 2015 and become more strict after five years, though the EPA is asking whether they should be phased in over eight years instead.

The new rules do not apply to wood heaters already in use or to residential fireplaces, backyard fire containers or fire pits used by campers and beachgoers. Nor do they apply to smokers, wood-fired barbecues or pizza ovens.

 

And I burn 4 to 5 depending on our winter. My point here is why should anyone get taxed at all for staying warm? The local power company, gas or oil loves more money when you turn up your thermostat. You just said "someone has to pay" Do you feel you should go out, C,S,S, go through all the work thats required to get your stove going, "THEN" pay a tax for that ???

 

You made a valid point here and it's very true. Keep in mind, "NOTHING" we do will change the inevitable!!! We may speed it up or slow it down but it's going to happen. Don't forget, where you live was all carved by Glaciers at one time.
The cave men and their fires didn't melt them. The earth will heat and cool, it has been cycling in this manner for millions of years.

 

It has already done this, over and over again! Volcanoes and "natural" ways. Oil burbs from the sea floor tens of thousands of gallons a day, this is a fact but these are things "most of the population" doesn't know about. I've personally seen this. I feel and honestly understand your and your children concern but believe me when I say our wood burning is "not" what will be our demise! How do you feel about 4 million "TONS" of nuclear waste in your back yard?
I'd be more worried about that, and I can put you in contact with someone who had JUST that happen.

 

Yes it is! But the climate has also changed very fast in the past. How do Wooly Mammoths go from eating tropical plants, "still in their mouths" and stomach to being frozen almost instantly?

 

And on a lighter note, it won't make a $#!T ton of difference if we get slammed by a asteroid or comet!

 

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of Elderberries....




Oh, and I hate yellow jackets.