It's hit the fan.

The county came by and flagged our new drive way and placed a Cees and desist notice. they say I needed a permint to move our existing drive way to a safer lo0cation.



So Kare calls and asked about a permint. Lets see there is a fine for doing what has been done with out a permint, thinks that is $50.00, $150.00 for a permint and $45.00 to join the two propertys for tax purpose.

Attorney said for me to go in there and have them explain why we can not move the entrance and exit to the road 25 yards south on properties we are buying. there is no state law that says we have to combine propertys. In fact our UP property is two seprate pieces tax wise. Then iF they are still demanding a big permint fee just say no thank you, we have made an effort to make our drive way safer so now it is on you if we are hurt over this.



Al

 

That su¢×s.


I get annoyed with all the BS about permits and such, to improve the property.


You'd think that would be what they'd want to begin with.
Then they can increase the property taxes.


Ahhh.. the prices we pay to be free.


Now mind you, I'm not one to complain on taxes much, but the permit BS chaps my rear to no end.

Why should we have to pay for "permission" to improve our property?????

 

I am with your attorney. But don't be under any delusion that you are "free." They will do as they please, or cost you a lot of money, or both.

Remember, they own your land. If you doubt it, try not paying the land rent, that they call "property taxes." Or cut down a tree that they have decided is holy. Or try resisting, when they want to put a highway through "your" land. If you resist these vigorously enough (like you might with another aggressor), they will eventually kill you or put you in a cage.

 

Tax= a fine you pay for doing right
Fine= a tax you pay for doing wrong

 

In New York State we have certain laws regarding property because in the old days things were never done the correct way, some people went to sell their house only to find out that some of the land the previous owner bought to make their property bigger was never surveyed or recorded the proper way and they never had any paper proof.

We bought just under an acre a year or so ago, because it was under the 2 acre building lot size we had to have that piece surveyed (usually do) and then have our house lot surveyed again so we could combine them (or get a variance) plus pay the lawyer and the county to file it.

I think if we wanted to change our driveway, we would need to speak with the town for an ok and then get a permit, we live on a town road so if we lived on a state road then we would be dealing with the state.

I hope you get your driveway in.

 

Well I as well as our lawyer feel they combineing of the 2 propertys is BS both where our home is and the ajoining piece is 10 acres.

The town ship has had the property servey since the very first split to 10 acres so it is part of their way to drum up bussiness for the area sorverys.

Is all a crock way I see it but god help them if we get hit by a car or truck we didn't see in the dip.

I figure at least 5 million should help the lawyers bottom line.


Al

 

In your original post you said that you're buying the property, do you own it? If you don't own it then that might be a problem.

 

Play their game and give them their $200...Tell them you want your permit by the end of the day...

 

We closed on the property Sept 1st. so in a sence we own it.

Nope not going to play the goverments money game.

I like their way of paying, said they would not clear or sand roads till the storm ended saving tax p[ayers a bunch.

When a truck slid thru an inter section and killed 4 people in the car they hit, it cost the tax p[ayers 10 million to settal the suit.

Dow the road a half mile from me they could have taken the hill that obstructs our view of the road exiting the drive way. But they left it as is. When the spring thaw came and there was 2 feet of water on the road proventing the people to exit their property that suit cost us 6 million to settle the suit and a WHOLE bunch of gravel to raise the road.


Al

 

Yup! The saying I'm familiar with is , if you want to see who owns "your" land stop paying taxes!
Socialism REQUIRES force. And personally I love liberty!!!

Sorry to hear about the woes, I've got a list as long as my arm of ridiculous true stories that sound satire.
The most recent, my dad owns commercial property, was mowing weeds/brush, the town supervisor himself stopped and said to stop he needed a permit. My father's response I've been cutting this for 40 years now I need a permit? Same guy is being investigated by the FBI for corruption!!!!! Power corrupts!

Trick is to find something deeded that predates the state-constitution-town-county. Tellem to you know what.

The adirondack park is now being developed....steal people's land in the name of conservation then resell for a profit....genious.

 

You likely have to establish a legal right-of-way to move your driveway from your plot to another plot, in part or in whole.
This is to protect you or your descendents should they go to sell your property in the future with defects in the plot plan.

If you change the two plots to one then the requirement for a legally established and enforceable right-of-way likely goes away.
For enforcement of rules the town has to go by what is in town records.
Go change the records. It's not hard.

I would be careful changing plot plans as if the plot you are in the process of purchasing is currently only a buildable lot as long as it's plot is grandfathered by old rules you may possibly never be able to divide it again to sell it as a buildable lot if the rules have changed.

 

If it really is a safety issue, I'd just pay the money and fix it, it's not worth the fight.

 

I am not fighting. I am going to remove the drive way, will have that done by next weeks end.

Al

 

Here in New York State, the towns get hit with all these unfunded mandates from the State government so they don't have much money for infrastructure projects.

In my old hometown close to 80 percent of their budget goes for salaries and medical insurance for the employees' , there's not much left for anything else.

Not sanding a road is just crazy but my old hometown has been putting less down and at times not doing it.

In the town we live in, certain people do what they want with their property without permits and others get them. I saw a guy put an addition on his house on the river and then add a two bay garage and a few year later add another two bays but they don't have a garage door, his assessment on his house has never gone up because of the new buildings.....but then again, he works for the town.

 

I built a 24x24' cabin on Big Bay De Noc just over 250'from the water Delta County Mi no problems. that fall wanted to built a 24x24 honey house Lapeer copunty Michigan.
Couldn't get a building permint because I didn't draw in the footings the first time I summited a drawing. Second time I could get a permint because I didn't draw in how deep the footings were going to be.
Our lawyer returned with me on the third attempt and then we were told we could not build there on the back side of a hill above our creek because of a chance silt would get in the creek. OH yes you cn buy a special building permint is only $97.00
Lawyer avised next time we want to buld on our property to just go ahead and do it then if caught pay the fine.

I still think it has a lot to do with nosey jelouis people why there are so many rules and the county finding they could legaly steal money from the residents.

The joke wiht the honey house was it had to be 25' off the property line. Jerk that came out to inspect the stakes to make sure it was 25 feet off the line had no clue where the property line was. Kept asking where the fence was I told him almost 100 feet to the south and about 75 feet on the other fellows property.

Al

 

WOW! I'm feeling rather lucky after reading some of these stories.

Before we took this place I talked to the township supervisor. Asked him a few questions about what was and was not permitted. I won't go in to all the details but near the end of our conversation he said; We don't really care what you do with your property. As long as you have no plans on building a Taj Mahal, do want you want. It's none of our business. That sold us on this place. No busy bodies trying to extort money for something as simple as building the shed or the horse shelter.

 

Here in Frankstown it is considered farming/residential. Farm if you own a farm and residential if there is a house on a lot. My lot is small so when I went to the township for a building permit to build a garage they asked how big my garage would be and I told them 2500 sq ft. 16' high. No problem. Then he says that the building can only be 20' high max for a residential building.
I say, I'm using a truss roof and there's no way I can have a 16 ' high garage and only a 20' peak. That only leaves me with 4' for a roof. He says, how well do you get along with the neighbors? Oh, we all get along fine. He him-haws a minute then says ok but I (him) can get in trouble for writing me a permit to build 27' high on a residential plot.
I went out the door with the permit and that was the end of it...
I guess laws really aren't laws...

 

Oh I can relate, I wanted to add a breezeway behind the garage to store tractor implements. I went to the town to get a permit they wanted $250. I talked to the Farmer the neighbor, who talked to his cousin who's in the town, and he tells me only add a hundred square year and you don't even need a permit.

So December we did half in January we did that other half

 

What a great idea! I want to add a lean to on the back of my garage approx 12’x20’ and have been trying to decide whether to do it and beg forgiveness or go through the process.

I turned in a request and plans to add a culvert for a new driveway on the front of the house vs the rear a little over a month ago and heard nothing back.


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