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Canadian members...guess who's interested in your wood burning...

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by saskwoodburner, Sep 15, 2018.

  1. saskwoodburner

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    Our wonderful liberal government. It's all about carbon taxation. I think I'll just stay under the radar if anybody asks.
     
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    I suspect that it's the energy lobbyists that have the ear of politicians. The energy companies don't get a cut from wood burners.
     
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    yet...
     
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    Well.. the energy lobbyists donate to politicians. So, politicians, to keep that cash flow in place, tend to do what lobbyists want them to do....usually p.
     
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    Fortunately, the segment of the population that still heat with wood is tiny compared to what it was a few decades ago. People are lazy and natural gas is cheap and easily available. The energy suppliers have been hammering on the service fees like crazy though.

    I'm getting gas bills of $120 per month with only $6 of it being for the gas. Your fees go up even higher as your gas use increases. Perhaps they think theres a chunk of the population who aren't paying enough into their little scam.

    Many cities and municipalities here have laws that prevent you from disconnecting from the power grid. The occupancy permit that was issued when your house was built has a clause in it that says the permit becomes invalid if you disconnect your power. Many that dont have that rule will send you a distribution bill if you disconnect. Even if you go full solar/wind, the powerline is still at the end of your driveway....therefore, the power company is still providing a service to you. If you chose not to use it that's fine, but, the service is still available to you so you still get a bill even if you disconnect. Those are the little things that they keep secret because so few have gone full solar due to the cost of it.

    This country has more government sponsored scams going on than you can shake a stick at. Remaining hooked up to their gas line, sucking it up and paying the minimum service fees, and burning wood to supplement your heat, really screws up their business model. Nope....I'm going to keep my mouth shut and say I exclusively heat with gas if anyone ever asks.
     
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    Wow I did not know you guys up north had so much regulation on energy usage up there.
     
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    Whoa! Scams big time.
     
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    I would think that wood heat is pretty close to carbon-neutral.
     
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    I did a scan of the document and found a few interesting points. It states that 18% of residential heating comes from wood, making it the third highest form of heating in Canada. In 2016 there was a study that included a phone consultation with firewood producers. The study found that there was a very low amount of participation. I would suspect that when the public is engaged they will find the same level of participation. The amount of wood burned from forest fires across BC and the western states like California this year would be staggering compared to what comes out of our chimneys. Also you should see the wood crap they burn at our local dump, there are many pieces of furniture and treated wood that are thrown into the piles for open burning.
     
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    But...they can't tax a forest fire, right? My nightmare scenario, is they try and get stoves registered (think Montreal but on a federal level)) using a safety or environmental guise, and some form of financial punishment for not registering. Then, attribute wood use based on size of dwelling with some goofy logic or average, probably towards the higher end of the scale. Maybe I'm jaded, but I wouldn't put it past them to dream up a way to pull more $$ from my pocket.
     
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    Follow the money. Answers and contrived reasoning will be there.
     
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    You aren't the only one.:dex:
     
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    I totally agree. They cant tax a forest fire but they can go after you and I especially considering (according to them) we only make up 18% of the population.
     
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    1984 was 34 years ago, and George Orwell wasn’t all that far off. It’s just that most aren’t really paying attention
     
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    How much CO2 is stored in 1 Kg. of wood?

    If a guy wanted to go out on a limb (and forget that trees are I believe a carbon sink, or neutral) he might imagine a carbon tax per some unit of wood. If the article I linked is to be believed, every 1 kg of wood burned would emit 1.65-1.8 kg of co2, or 2.2 lbs of wood is say 4 lbs of co2. So...if my cord of poplar is 2000 lbs dry weight, by the math above, it's worth 3600 lbs of co2. Take that by 4 cords, and I'm siting at 14,400 lbs of co2 for me, over a season. I know it's rough math, but just trying to drive the point home. Now, the guy steering Canada is/wants to ram through a carbon tax that will hit $50/ton if I remember right, so there you go. In this imaginary scenario, I'm paying for 14,400/2000=7.2 tons of co2. 7.2 x $50= $360, and throw some tax+admin+more hokey stuff on top, and there you go.

    If my math is way off or I missed something, feel free to correct me. But mostly my example is how I think they would go about it.
     
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    Most people don't have a CLUE about our crazy rules and laws until they've broken them and there's someone with government ID handing them a fine. This country is very socialist and truth be known, we aren't that far off from being full communist. Our current Prime Moron is a die hard leftist, and I'm 100% convinced that he's being paid by the arabs to keep our oil industry on it's knees. When they aren't bashing the Alberta oil sands in every way possible, they, and their liberal appointed court judges, are hamstringing every effort to get a lousy pipeline built to the coast so we can sell our oil to international markets. I've never seen a bureaucracy work as hard as ours to keep their own country in economic doldrums by any means necessary. It doesn't matter what you do here. If you think outside the box and the right civil servant finds out, you're going to get hammered. It's a simple as that. Do I heat with wood ? Oh no sir. I heat with either natural gas or electricity like all the other good little drones. :salute:
     
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    If the service fees on our power and gas bills are any indication, the administration fee on your $360 would easily triple the final bill....plus GST of course. This liberal government of ours thinks that they must control absolutely EVERYTHING that goes on in this country, and that they're perfectly entitled to tax it all.
     
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    And that's the thing, in my above example, I'm small potatoes. I rock a 720 square foot mobile home. What's a bill for a guy with a bigger home, bigger stove, and more wood usage look like?
     
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