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Englander NC30 deal .....ordered

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by papadave, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. raybonz

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    On the T5 one lever controls both the primary and secondary air. Is the 30 like this? I did file down the stop so I can further lower the air and this has helped keep the stack temp down and even the heat out more..

    Ray
     
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    Just reading the mail, Waiting to see how the blower works when you get it.
    I use mine a lot, when on low you can barely even hear it
     
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    No. Mine came with no blower. I bought the AC-30 last year at the beginning of the season.
     
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    That's Exactly what happens at my house, and also because I have a long hallway to the right of the stove
     
  5. papadave

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    Ray, primary doesn't seem to have an effect on the doghouse.
    Seems unrestricted, unless it's done manually (I've done this, with limited success).
     
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    So you control primary and secondary air separately Dave? I do have air that enters from the back and also the front bottom which enters a manifold of sorts under the front door.. Is the 30 this way?
     
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    On my Endeavor the secondary air was unregulated, the primary air did not change the secondary air.
     
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    Interesting, perhaps this is why the T5 is pretty efficient? Seems to burn pretty long for a stove of its' size..
     
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    I think the 30 can do this, it just can't do it with a high enough temp to keep his house warm enough. What is the temp of your stove after 12 hours? Dave has hours of coals after 8 hours from what I can see it's just not enough to heat his house.(ST in the 300 range) My stove with a stove top slightly over 300 will hold the temp in my house unless it's low teens or colder, it sounds like the 30 at 300 for Dave isn't enough to maintain temps even if this milder type weather we're getting. IMO the blower will certainly help this.

    When I got home from work tonight the stove room was 74, t-stat for the furnace down the hall was 67. I turned the blower on low and in no time the stove room was back to 78, t-stat for the furnace was 69. Stove top was around 300, the high today was 38. I loaded the stove last night at about 10pm so this was a load with 20 hours or so on it.
     
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  10. papadave

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    Primary is the only one with any control.
    ETA: rdust, this morning, the house was still warm-ish and I had plenty of coals with the stove at about 300.
    That was good enough for a while.
    If it gets below mid-20's, that's not enough, which is due to the inadequate insulation in the house and cold air leaks.
    Example...... my wife's sewing room is being cleaned up and I pulled a small piece of carpet. I could feel cold coming from under the bottom wall plate. This is throughout the house on exterior walls.
    I'm very curious if the blower will help distribute warm air from the stove to keep things warmer, longer.
    12° on Fri. nite, and 11° Sat nite., then a warmup...not sure the blower will make it here soon enough.
     
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    Didn't you order a flue probe Dave?
     
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    Yep, I did.
    It's here, but since the room is in the middle of a redo, I can't install.
    The old ceiling was 1x strapping perpendicular to the rafters, then 3/4" ceiling tiles. The new ceiling will be 1/2" or 5/8" drywall.
    Once the room is done, the doublewall will end up extended another inch or so, and the inner hole will no longer line up with the outer and be a permanent air leak.
     
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    I never bother checking the temp.. No time to play in AM here but lots of coals and house is warm.. Pretty much same as you except can't get 24 hr. burn times..
     
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    Dave, have you tried the rake your coals forward method for a longer burn time?

    Thats were you pull the hot coals to the front load east/west. You can place splits east/west in the back on the bottom of the stove with no hot coals under them. Then the wood you load towards the front is the only wood that gets on hot coals.
     
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    Huntindog1, yep but only a couple times.
    I always pull coals forward no matter how I load.
    The E/W burns seem not to work well. I don't know why just yet. Could be my primary air being down too low. Still sorting that out.
    The wood in the back doesn't burn well, but that's true with n/s too.
     
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    Ray, PE's super series stoves are the only ones I know of that have regulated secondary air. There are probably others, but not many. I haven't looked real close to see where the boost manifold air comes from, but I'm pretty sure it is connected to the air control, as well. From what I can tell by watching, anyway.

    My wife turned the blower off before she left for work yesterday, in anticipation of warmer outside temps :rofl: :lol: Turned out to be upper 30s, cloudy, and breezy, so I got home at noon to a 63° house. I opened the air up and got the stove hot again, turned the blowers on high, and was over 70 in less than 30 minutes. It really makes a huge difference here.

    What's the back of your stove like, Dave? Any way to position a small fan to direct air to where the blower is supposed to go? I was able to do that with the PE, but I have plenty of room to work with.
     
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    I don't need a ton of heat right now, so I'll just wait for the blower.
    Something I've noticed since using the ash pan, is that there's very little dust on the hearth.
    I cleaned the tiles before setting the 30, and although there is a very slight bit of dust, it's almost impossible to see it. I can take a finger swipe and get a minor bit.
     
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    The Woodstock steels....and my Dutchwest 2460. :cool: I'm getting ready to put the Dutchwest back in to end the season. One thing I want to do is play with the cat air and see what it really does, now that I have some dry wood to burn....
    No one said running a stove was gonna be easy....just ask Dave. ;)
    He doesn't have much room back there....
    Now, that's what I'm talkin' 'bout! :cool: But it's also possible that the 30 would let out less dust than the Ashley, if you were to shovel both. I doubt it though, with no bypass on the 30....
     
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    I prolly shoulda added 'non-cat' to that :emb:
     
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    I knew that's what you were getting at....but there's not many cats that have it, either. C'mon, stove makers, throw us geeks a bone! :D
     
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