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What started out as a prospective timber tree.....

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  1. Scotty Overkill

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    ......turned out to be a bummer, somewhat. blacksmith and I did a few walnut trees on Sunday (one was a DANDY) at a local 1750s stone tavern.

    I estimated the biggest one, a double trunked walnut, to be between 130-150 years old, the base was over 4' across. We had visions of stacks of beautiful boards from that base and the two leader logs, but it turned out to be TOTALLY HOLLOW!

    The old Tavern....
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    The trees we were taking down. The big one is off in the distance, towards the center of the pic.
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    It's hard to tell from the pictures, but that monster was grown into a rockslide that occurred many, many decades ago.
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    We topped this walnut tree and rigged it with two guy ropes, and used it for a skyline to skid logs from the big tree out to the parking lot.
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    blacksmith getting ready to top out the skyline tree
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    Dropping some big chunks
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    Pic of the two guy lines set (they were rigged at the bases of two bigger maple trees up on the bank. The cable is also being set in this pic, using a snatch block and heavy lifting sling/clevis
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    In this pic I was ascending the front leader on the big walnut tree, you can zoom in and just make out the skyline tree to the middle/left.
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    We removed as many of the rocks at the base of the tree as we could, hoping to salvage as much wood at the base as we could possibly get, expecting to have some saw lumber in that base....those rocks have been against that base for many many years, they were grown into the outer edge of the trunk.
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    Pic of me at the base of the tree before ascending it. The limestone rocks were piled up past my waist, so we did move a lot of rocks in hopes of salvaging that base log.
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    It was time to get down to business and start taking that tree apart
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    Dropping the first of 4 tops
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    Getting ready to take the 2nd top
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    Making a face notch on a 20" top almost 55' off the ground (using a Stihl 026) can be a challenge....
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    Bombs away!
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    While ascending that first leader to top it out, I discovered that the trunk was indeed hollow. After dropping the tops, however, we knew it was solid from about 2/3 the way up to the top, so we still had some hope for a few good mill logs

    A pic of the first leader after we dropped it from above the 12' crotch. 20180408_135713.jpg

    Looking down from my vantage point after the first leader came down. 12' above grade 20180408_141453.jpg


    She's totally hollow, it was heartbreaking to see that magnificent tree hollow like that...... 20180408_141129.jpg

    Another view of the first leader. We had to use the skidsteer to assist, the log was so big and the underbrush was so thick that we couldn't get enough traction to pull the skyline.

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    After.ascending the second leader and determining it was even more hollow than the first, we had to reassess how I was going to take the tops out. Had the log been solid, I was going to pull the tops backwards and into the whole we were working in at the base of the bank. But the leader being hollow and in poor condition, I decided to drop the tops straight out. This required that a small sugar maple be removed that was directly below AND intertwined with the tops of the walnut tree that I was removing. So Joe had to take the tree down while I looked on from above. Got a few good pics and a really cool video.....
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    With the sugar maple.down and out of the way,it was time to finish topping...
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    Flopping the tops out of leader #2....
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    TIMBER!!!
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    The second leader is down, and you can clearly see the severity of how hollow it was.
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    The property owner still got a nice load of saw logs from the job. So it wasn't a total loss. But it was a shame to see that massive trunk basically unusable for lumber......
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    Nice pics and story. Thanks

    Sad about it being hollow.

    Fortunate that it didn't split or barber chair on you, but, you know what you're doing and what to look out for.

    Good job.

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    Nice write up AND Pics

    Thanks
     
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    Thx for the posts.:thumbs:

    My hat's off to you and the others that climb and do this work.:tip:

    It is really a shame that it couldn't all be timbered, seems like such a waste.
     
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    Wow! Amazing thread Scotty:thumbs:
     
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    Great write up. Thanks for the time you spent putting this thread together.
     
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    Great pictures and post! Obviously that’s been girdled for a long time to be that hollow. It’s a wonder it didn’t get blown over in a wind storm.
     
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    we had one about like that on our property, the dog realized it was hollow some how, smell?, and dug out the one side creating an opening in the tree and would go and lay inside it. After about 8 years there it finally fell over in a wind storm made quite the noise.
     
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    I'd be betting that someone out there would be willing to pay for a chunk of that hollow log. Just spend the time trying to find them is the trick.
     
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    Bummer for the lumber aspect but good for the land owner. Judging from the pics that could have walloped the tavern in a bad storm some day.
     
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    The property owner had some good ideas for the hollow logs. I hope he can use them.
     
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    It was far enough away that it wouldn't have posed a problem for the Tavern, but the sand mound might have been in trouble....
     
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    It was still in very stable condition for its age. I was amazed that neither trunk had any wind splitting or cracking whatsoever. It was on the backside of a steep bank, it was protected from the harsh winds.
     
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    Hey, I like doing these posts for my firewood family, whenever I have the time to write them!
     
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    what a nice post. very much enjoyed it.
     
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    Nice documentation on this one Scotty and nice work from both of you. What a shame to find that tree hollow, but certainly not unheard of. I've seen many hollow or rotten walnuts over the years. Do you suppose all the stone around the base had something to do with all the rot? Especially right at the base.
     
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    Well done gentleman! Thanks for taking the time to share!