In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Englander NC30 deal .....ordered

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by papadave, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. HDRock

    HDRock

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    17,219
    Likes Received:
    60,096
    Location:
    Grand Blanc, MI,
    Ok now.
    That's exactly what I'm talking about
     
    papadave likes this.
  2. HDRock

    HDRock

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    17,219
    Likes Received:
    60,096
    Location:
    Grand Blanc, MI,
    I'm thinking about putting NC 30 in my yellow submarine :D
     
    papadave likes this.
  3. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    Try it again. I missed the h at the start of the URL when I copied.
    Works now.
     
  4. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    In Mother Russia, NC30 burns you.
     
  5. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    Well, hell, I totally missed that you got the 30 and you have it up and running.

    What temps are you running it at? Your pics look like you have only been doing partial loads. How is it warming the house? How is the blower working for you?

    Give me a run down!
     
  6. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    Well, temps on the stove finally got up to about 600° last night and cured the paint some more.
    I've been running it lower...about 450. Hard to see the STT unless I get off my butt and go in there.
    Still waiting on the pipe probe for the doublewall, so I can drive this thing the right way.
    You're right, mostly partial loads, except the overnight load last night. I could have fit a bit more in, but the temps haven't called for much heat. I noticed the smell after I'd been in bed and almost asleep.
    Almost smelled like an overfire, so I got up to check. Stove had just gotten a little warmer.
    I think I'll do a full load this morning, so I can see how it runs. I can tell I'm doing something not quite right, since the stove has cooled to 350 this morning and there's just coals left. 7-8 hours from that load isn't great. I'm sure it's me, just don't know what it is yet.
    I checked the gasket yesterday, and I can get a piece of paper to pull out on the hinge side w/o a ton of resistance.
    No blower until you call and register the stove, then they send one out. It's the hair dryer model, and I don't think it'll work here.
     
  7. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    House is staying 70-ish, but as I said, the outside temps have been too warm to push the stove much.
    The stove is very easy to adjust, although I haven't tried to slow it down from an almost overfire condition. Just hasn't gotten that hot yet.
    Love the doublewall pipe. It fit w/o any issue at all. I had that up and screwed down within a couple minutes. It's keeping the brick at least 50° cooler. Something else too...the brick behind the stove is cool to the touch, all the time. The rear shield obviously works.
    I'm getting smoke when I open the door, even at the end of a burn. Manual calls for minimum 15' from the floor of the stove.....I have 18-19' (not quite sure if I have 4 or 5' in the attic).
    I've been curious to hear your responses to all this.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2014
  8. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    I'm just going to start grabbing chunks of your posts and responding as I get the chance to post.
    This isn't shocking. 7-8 hours later and sitting at 350 is about right. I get longer burns burning e/w as I can pack the stove a LOT tighter. But, the stove will hang out at temps below 400 for quite some time.

    It looks like you haven't gotten the stove over 600. The heat is very different once you have the stove sitting in the 650-750 range.
     
    Chvymn99 and papadave like this.
  9. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    I would go in the opposite direction. Burn it hot. See how it reacts. See how your home reacts. I know you want a stove that burns in the 450-550 range, but, I think you need to see how the stove reacts when it is running hot and how your home reacts to it.

    This is why I think you need to burn it hot. Get the house temps up and then see how the house reacts to the stoves burn cycle.
     
    papadave likes this.
  10. oldspark

    oldspark

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,534
    Likes Received:
    7,441
    Location:
    NW Iowa
    Just remember its not broke in till you hit oh crap 800 degree moment, strong south wind Monday did it for me.:eek:
     
    Chvymn99, raybonz and papadave like this.
  11. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    I don't know about you, but for me, that chit never happens during the day. It only happens late at night when I want to go to bed.
     
    raybonz and papadave like this.
  12. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    Yeah, I've been doing some break in fires to cure the paint. It got a little smoky the first day and set off the smoke alarm several times.:startled:
    Got to about 600 last night and got some more stink.
    I'm gonna let 'er rip today to see what happens.:firepit:
    Cover me, I'm goin' in.:thumbs:
    I think the cooler fires are also contributing to the haze on the glass......
    I was really hoping for longer burns than that BBar, but if I can do 8-10 hours in a controlled manner, it should still save some wood.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2014
    Chvymn99 likes this.
  13. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    Also, since you are dealing with a relatively small floor plan, but a lot of draft, I really hope you give the blower a try. Ignore the noise and just pay attention to how the house reacts to it.
     
    papadave and Chvymn99 like this.
  14. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    All good comments and info. Keep it coming.
    I picked up some dry graphite this a.m., and did the hinges.
    I don't like that the gasket seems a bit loose on the hinge side.
    That overnight burn wasn't full, so maybe not so bad.
     
  15. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    That is an accurate assessment.

    This is also why I suggest the blower. You will be able to extend the burn times as you will be able to use more of the lower temp heat. It will also let you burn down the coals more. I rarely had a coal build up issue this winter since I was reloading so much later in the burn cycle.
     
    Chvymn99 and papadave like this.
  16. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    I'm probably going to need the smaller footprint of the AC30 blower.
    I'm meeting clearances, but the stove is only 4" from the brick. The stove may need to get pulled out just a bit to even fit that one.
    BBar, I don't remember, did you get the side shields?
    For some weird reason, ESW allows smaller CTC with those. I have 6' on either side of the stove. Curious.
     
  17. jeff_t

    jeff_t

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    1,215
    Likes Received:
    2,798
    Location:
    SE MI
    You shouldn't have any coal buildup, since the wood burns faster.
     
    Woody Stover likes this.
  18. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    [quote="BrowningBAR, post: 79293, member: 198
    This is also why I suggest the blower. You will be able to extend the burn times as you will be able to use more of the lower temp heat. It will also let you burn down the coals more. I rarely had a coal build up issue this winter since I was reloading so much later in the burn cycle.[/quote]

    Yep, the coal bed was pretty big.
    Just checked the stove and it was about 450, so I knocked the air back about 50% and checked outside. Virtually no smoke.
    Couple minutes later and it's close to 600°, so I dropped the primary to about 1/8th to 1/4" under the lip.
    Still not closed.
     
  19. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,468
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    I'm also curious how far you screwed on the primary air spring handle.
    Most with the 30 seem to run the primary with the tip of that flush with the lip. Maybe mine is on too far.
     
  20. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,379
    Likes Received:
    2,105
    Location:
    San Tan Valley, AZ
    :hair:
     
    oldspark, concretegrazer and jeff_t like this.