The Smoke Dragon Slayer ?

...but really??? why do modern stoves have door gaskets when the Fisher's didn't? Is a gasket system really that much 'better' than the Fisher system?

 

Fisher used the air leak as part of the intake air...modern stoves have door glass air wash air and preheated secondary burn air...a big ole air leak around the door doesn't work out so well no mo...

Obviously we can affect our environment to some degree...especially in large concentrated population areas...or maybe a group of especially heinous environmental abusers all in one area...but in the big picture, my opinion is that we as humans have very little affect on things...especially long term...forest fires and volcanoes (as just two examples) make our pollution as humans look like one lil ole mouse fart.

 

Yes, there have many huge shifts in climate in the past. And carbon has played a role in several of them. I read a study about how a rapid reforestation period actually removed so much carbon that it pushed the planet towards an ice age.

The difference between the natural climate change and the human accelerated climate change is the time frame. This is taking place over a few lifetimes... Most natural changes take hundreds and thousands of years.

 

A clean burning stove isn't going to stop climate change.

But, that is not what it was supposed to do. It's supposed to reduce air pollution. The saving of fuel is just a bonus. There is so much misinformation out there... And when we have this kinda of discussion you nearly immediately have some rants about climate change.

I still say replace your old stoves... Especially if you live in a urban or similarly dense population area.

 

I was just going by what the bible says...I stick to my original statement.

 

WeldrDave is right on that, the country folks in the north. Get rid of your back up heater, ah NO, we are going to pass a law you have too. Ok, pass laws first, that electrical system can't go down for 3 days and mother nature won't let it go to 30 below. Then we will discuss it.

People in our state just figured out newest and greatest thing, the duct less mini splits. DO Not work at 30 below. A lot of them were subsidized and installed in past few warm winters. Cold snap hit, and quite a few people were cold and scrambling. Of course they let their primary heat maintenance lapse so it did not work either.

My stove won green heat award, uncle has 45 yo Fisher mama in his basement. Same steel chimney that I remember for decades. He burns as clean as he can.

 

Most of the new non cat stove have an open hole to the atmosphere that you can not control.
My old Nashua had a door gasket as many of the old "airtight' stoves had, they were called airtight for a reason.
A lot of posts about the old stoves by people who have never burned in one or did not use dry wood as many posts have stated, that won't work well in a pre EPA stove either, some may think it did but it was a very dirty burn.
They might have well made a law mandatory that people educate them selves and burn dry wood, it would have done as much good.

 

Since you guys brought it up, it's common sense all the pollutants we are putting i the air is having an effect, a lot of changes being recorded.
I am surprised they have not thrown out the EPA regulations for the wood stoves as they are backing off on many things and the stoves are just a very small pimple on the earths butt.

 

There are a few subjects that we (wood stove users) may disagree on but at the end of the day we are all on the same page for the most part.

 

I think it is very important to be aware of your surroundings. By that I mean, if you live in a neighborhood or have neighbors close by, it's quite rude to be billowing smoke their way year round. Some people legitimately don't like the smell and those are the ones who complain. It'salways best to be on people's good side than fighting a constant battle.

That being said, if your home is isolated like mine, smoke all you want! Personally I love seeing my chimneys billowing smoke although I realize that it is a sign of inefficiency.

If I lived in the city, I would only have a EPA stove to keep the peace. Since I will never live in the city, I'll stick to my fisher, and my bonfires out back.

 

I don't get to read all of your posts, some I don't agree with but I give this one 5 stars.
What I don't understand is how or why people get so viscously attacked for not being "green". I've never thought of attacking someone to try to change their mind. Maybe I'm just crazy.

Most people are good and will do the right thing if they think they know what the right thing is.
Most people don't want to make a mess or pollute and most are reasonable about it.

I heat 24/7 with a stove. I also rehabbed my entire house with the best at the time insulation windows and furnace. Been in the house 8 years and haven't hooked up the furnace.
I didn't do it to be green or save the planet, I did it to make money and save it. We had the house appraised for double what we paid for it and put into it.

This year I bought a used BK king. Thought I would use waaaaaay less wood. Just so happens we've had one of the coldest Winters in recent memory. And I'm not sure if what I had planned to burn will last. This year has broken several records for cold that no one talks about.
Alot of times I wish I was still running my "smoke dragon" the instant heat the massive radiant heat. The no maintenance. But the bk is stupidly more effective at low and slow for shoulder season. And in some ways is more convenient as I don't need to feed it as often.

 

Both my smoke dragons are burning right now and no smoke and my house and shop are toasty warm. People have to pay attention and learn what to burn and how to burn it. It’s a wood stove not a nuclear reactor!

 

...so, which is worse...those of us still burning smoke dragons or drilling, refining, trucking/piping fossil fuels? There is also nuclear power and it's waste that is radio active for a long time, not to mention that the discharge of cooling water has raised havoc with a number of fisheries. If everything goes to heck when burning my Fisher then I burn my house down...not a good thing...but screw up with a nuke plant (it has happened) or screw up with a drill rig or oil tanker and it's a much bigger mess...so let the spin doctors go after the little guy that is carbon neutral. ...on a side note...can't believe no one has brought up Outdoor Wood Boilers...lol. In the end we wood burners are brother's of the same saw and we are also a minority in terms of the way we heat, at least that much we agree upon...we have a certain independence and sense of satisfaction when we burn wood and it is one slice of freedom that we share in common at all times. There is no way I could have afforded a EPA stove and I feel blessed to have found the best Fisher stove ever made at a very fair price (plus the guy and his three friends loaded it for me)...this little Baby Bear has given me so much joy and peace of mind that I can't imagine life without it. There is room for EPA and Non-EPA stoves alike in our homes, either one is still a better choice than sucking up oil, propane, natural gas, kerosene, electricity from coal plants and nuke plants. It comes down to burning responsibly...we all know that...and I think most of us here are pretty much of the same mind set when it comes to working at burning the best wood we can in a productive manner. So pass me a beer...yes, all of you, right now give me a beer...and get one for yourselves while your at it, and a toast to Cutting, Splitting, Stacking, and the warmth from our stoves! Amen!