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The Smoke Dragon Slayer ?

Discussion in 'Non-EPA Woodstoves and Fireplaces' started by shack, Jan 27, 2018.

  1. Babaganoosh

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    You can think your smoke dragon is burning clean because the emissions look clean to the naked eye but the fact is there's still a lot of fine particulates being spewed out compared to a secondary burner, cat, or hybrid stove.
     
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    I'm glad not everyone takes the attitude of well other people on this earth are polluting more so my pollution doesn't matter. Hey lemme go dump my used oil onto the ground or into a storm drain. Its not as big an issue as China....

    That attitude sucks.
     
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    I agree! No argument. But nobody ever complained about what they couldn't see or smell. You can't see a fart but it stinks! :fart:
     
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    That's not even a comparison, not even close!
     
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    I don't say we force people to get better more efficient stoves, but it would sure be nice if everyone had them.

    There are plenty of studies that prove that the particulate from wood stove causes asthma in children. If given the choice I'd rather have my kids around a stove that creates less not more. Maybe we don't even know what the long term issues are. I highly doubt they are beneficial.
     
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    It's a great example of some people's attitude. To proved my point. It's not a great comparison but that's an attitude many people have.
     
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    Ok, what's your take on this? My fault huh! All that $#!T gos into the water! Stop it man! again, your comparing trivial things.
     
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    Try a Little bit longer than that....like a million. Subject to scrutiny of course but meals were cooked too.

    But hey here’s something cool we can give our youngsters something to look forward to. No pollution included ... BA71F7EC-1C6E-462E-94B3-242BAFF5AB61.png
     
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    I didn't write what I said to argue, I wrote it to be factual, and there is "NOTHING" you can do to change the facts Babaganoosh
     
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    Oh, and the 10,000 camp grounds, just in NJ, "where you live too" with camp fires do nothing??? Hey, I know... Lets ban campfire like California did on the beach. My wife has asthma and it didn't come from the wood stove, she lived and grew up in the midwest "far" from a wood stove. Oh, let me guess, the 4 million cars in NJ have nothing to do with asthma either... :picard:
     
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    Does anyone here realize that the hypocritical standard of saying "BURNING" this is cleaner than "BURNING" that? It's burning and polluting "Period"! If you want to clean the atmosphere then quit burning. I knew this would rattle the minds!
     
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    I really think it all goes back to what I said - if you want to burn more efficiently to save yourself $$$ then thats a solid reason.

    I drive a VW TDI back and forth to work...I get 47-50 mpg. I dont do it out of some high and mighty thoughts that Im saving the environment...I drive it because it saves me a significant amount of money versus driving my truck that gets 18 mpg.

    Better more efficient technology is great because we burn less fuel which = money saved, but if you actually think you're making a dent in overall world emissions and saving the globe you are sorely mistaken.

    Why burn wood at all if thats the case? Modern gas boilers and even pellet stoves are more efficient and emit less particles than even the best wood stoves do.
     
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    Have you ever heard the expression that if you take care of the pennies the dollars will take care of themselves?

    Just because you view something as trivial doesn't mean that it's ok overall. Again the same logic. Well Tom steals a case of soda a week so I'll take one can. It's trivial compared to what Tom takes. You are trying to justify your position by marginalizing bad behavior of yourself or a similar wood burner compared to a big time polluter. Saying it's not as bad doesn't mean it's not bad. Just less bad. Less bad is still bad.
     
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    No I'm not!!! How the heck did people heat, cook and live in the cold places a 100 years ago man? Oh, are they criminals? What makes it "BAD"? Is living bad? Burning wood is the most purest and "Renewable" source of heat there is! Again, I'm not dumping chemicals into the ocean, I'm burning wood. And again you're logic is wrong!
     
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    If everyone takes the attitude of my footprint is small and therefore unimportant then we will never have any progress. We see what happens when we make no progress. The government steps in and forces its will on people.

    If all the factories in China stopped spewing pollution tomorrow I doubt the attitude would change. People would just point at the second biggest polluter and say.... I'm not as bad as them so it doesn't matter.
     
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    Agree, that's like the people driving a prius who think they're saving the world and there house is all electric! They forget that power is generated by coal or Nuclear which is "nasty"!
     
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    My logic isn't wrong. You just don't agree with it so you try to paint it wrong.

    You are trying to say that I think massive pollution by China is OK. I never claimed it was. However I don't have the ability to change what they do. I only have the ability to change what I do. Therefore I burn with a more efficient and less polluting stove.
     
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    I believe you have totally missed my point. But, with that said what do you suggest? So, what would you have everyone do? We cannot go back and change what our ancestors did now can we? Would you have me get rid of my stove and go all electric? Where do you think my heat would come from? Should I move to the Caribbean? What do we do?
     
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    What my original point was and is, is this: As wood burners, our wood stoves all combined doesn't add to 1,000,000,000 of 1% to the Global scale of pollution. That is a fact! I burn about 3 trees a year, maybe 4. 70 million burned just in this last round of California fires. See what I'm saying? It's like peeing in a volcano to put it out!
     
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    I do agree with this point - if you want to make an individual contribution the woodstove you choose is a really crappy place to start.

    Are you driving a car that gets 45+ mpg? If not, that would make a significantly larger impact than the wood stove you're using. Heck, splitting only with an axe instead of using your gas splitter probably makes a bigger impact.