Yup your right about my mistake.. I’ve had the NC — it is definitely on the hottie list. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Chirp chirp chirp, what's that cricket. No one knows what was in the bags of okie plats once okies mill closed down. Speculation was that it came from the sister mill of the closed mill, that sister mill also produced eagle valleys, or maybe la cretes, or maybe some other mill. lack of transparency a reason why i won't buy rebagged crap at super premium price, because it is a crap shoot as to what you get.
As you showed in your first post ? original bag straight from our neighbors up North love the stuff burns like a charm and fairly dang clean as well. Don't know if I should take the chance on the re-bagged NW as I did not know that they took the fines and re-pelletized them. Might be ok don't know if they are the same or as good if they are I'm game. Douglass would you care to weigh in please. thanks
I had the NW blue bag to kick season off , I’d have stuck with them if they weren’t so far away. ‘Cretes are feeding quick this week, but are doing the deed.. at first I was concerned about the Crete’s as they are much darker this year & don’t smell like a 2x4. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Daffonce...I can't tell you what is in the Okanagan Platinum bag today, as I have nothing to do with the brand anymore, other than getting rid of the left over product that was still in the Upton yard after the parent company went bk last year. Now that is behind us, and the remaining product has to be sold off...that chapter of my wood pellet career will be behind me...as far as what is in the Northern Warmth or Minute Man brands, we have been very transparent what brand(s) of pellets we use, so there really is no reason as to what is in the bags...but if you choose not to burn our brand, I understand and that is certainly your right to do so...but I will have to disagree with you regarding the term "crap" and that it sells for "super premium price"....that is something that each dealer determines and sets their own level of retail pricing....but somebody must buy it, cause we can't seem to keep it in stock most of the time...especially this time of year....
Blah blah blah lots of chirping, no amswering the simple question of what was in the oakie bags after opc mill shut down prior to viridis going bankrupt. You were in charge then. That is the lack of transparency people speak of. Non transparent in the past cant say you will be transparent going forward. Might just pull the switch a roo if you cant get the product you currently use. Lots of people werent to happy with the nw firs last year that lots of people were saying were the same as oakie doug fir, but they werent. I know you didnt tell any of them that they were the same.
Douglas Middleton asking for your opinion would you consider the NW Super Spruce including the ones that contain re-pelletized fines to be of the same quality as the straight up Eagle Valley from our Canadian friends ? Curious as I would like to purchase some but its between them,Spruce Pointe, or LaCrete . If they are of the same quality I might purchase some. Thanks
It's no secret that I have been bringing several different brands of pellets into Upton MA for about 6 years now and bagging them under our own brands....currently they are Northern Warmth and Minute Man. We bulk them out...then off load and bag. There is a percentage of dust, fines and really small pieces of pellet that get vacuumed/vibrated off when they enter the plant that get repelletized back into a regular pellet using nothing more than steam and pressure...there are no additives and I defy anyone to show me the difference between the end product and the orginal. We have sold 100's of thousand of tons of pellets since we started doing this some 6 years ago and it has worked All three are great pellets...certainly well above average and you are asking if chocolate is better than strawberry or vanilla...it's simply a personal choice. The Super Spruce is exactly the same pellet as the Eagle Valley. The fact that a small percentage of the fines have been re-pelletized makes no difference whatsoever. All we are doing is putting the pellet back together again after they get transported across the country and there is breakage...Same fibre and basically the same process as when they are orginally made, except we have to introduce steam into the process to get the moisture back up so the pellet will hold together before it goes thru the mill, were about 1/2 the moisture is again removed. We arn't changing the structure or content of the pellet whatsoever...no additive or binder...just steam so the pellet has structure after it comes out of the press...you couldn't tell the difference even if I showed two pellets side by side. As far as if you and your stove like the pellet....well you just have to burn some to answer that question, but I have sold 10's of thousand of tons over the last two seasons to know that many do and have lots of repeats...so again...somebody does like it...thanks for your interest...dm
News Flash....it was Western Canadian SPF...mostly kilned dried and considered by many to be some of the best building/wood pellet fiber in the world today..you may or may not agree with that...with thousands of tons sold in the past 9 years it's pretty safe to say it's a very well accepted pellet on the market....now since another company bought the naming rights to the brand last year...as I have said earlier, I have no first hand knowledge whose pellet they currently put in their bag...you would have to ask them....and daffonce if you must know, I was no of t in charge of the company back in the Viridis days...I simply did their marketing and sales, mostly in NE. but still reported to it's upper management who made the final call as to whose pellet we used...be it Okanagan out of Kelowna or someone else's. Since I only have about 200 tons left to sell of that older product before I close that chapter of my pellet selling career...you want to know what I currently use for suppliers of my brands...I have no issue telling you, my dealers or anyone else what is in those bags...which I have said several times here in the past...I choose to look forward with my currently company and provide a fair valued, top quality pellet to the pellet burning public. You want to know whose pellet, was once used by my previous employer...go ask them...or maybe the current owner of the Okanagan brand name...and if they choose to tell you ....good for you. Okanagan is in my rear view mirror and it's going to stay there. You can yap all you want...but that is a closed chapter for me. You believe what you want about my transparency...chances are you won't be buying my pellets regardless of what I say...so as far as I'm concerned you are just flapping your gums and trying to stir the pot so to speak....homey don't play that game.....stay warm and safe out there...understand it might get a tad nippy out your way this weekend...dm
When I toured the Jaffrey pellet plant, the manager showed me several piles of wood to be used in making pellets. Kept under cover was a sawdust pile, which was the lowest moisture and most valued ingredient in their recipe to keep moisture low. The "fines" have already been through the pellet making process once so it would stand to reason they would make very low moisture pellets went reprocessed in the pellet mill, much like the sawdust that had been kiln dried already. Heck, if one could buy these regurgitated pellets separately in their own bag, I'd definitely try them.
Sorry peterfield...but it simply doesn't work that way...we have to turn that dust/fines back into a pellet to make the math work and allow us to make a profit for doing this. Margins for us or any other manufacture are slim, so you have to get as much out of each ton as you can ...or it won't work. Most (but not all) fibre will normally start about 10-12% moisture before going thru the press...where they come out a pellet at about 5-6% moisture...Some mills keep their fibre under cover, but most don't...but normally it will get dried to the correct content right before entering the pellet press where they come out at about 300 degrees from all the pressure that is applied ...thus the lost of moisture from where they started and have the slight shine on the outside of the pellets...which is what holds the pellet together...when we re-pelletize those fines, we have to raise the moisture content of it with steam so we can put that fibre thru the press to get the proper mositure % after we reprocess them again and finish with an acceptable finished product.
That's the product I was referring to. It's re-bagged Eagle Valley. Robbins is selling it for $252/ton. It's a pretty good price.
Don't think he's gonna answer ya bud, It's prolly in his best interest not too. Could effect his new product sales? I was told it was a mill close to the closed(due to safety issues) Okanagan mill. The name keeps slipping me(crs). They mostly exported a industrial pellet IIRC. Hard to get much of anyone to chat about them. Viridis did pizz off many with the BK issues and most have and get a bit when I ask about them!!
That’s interesting because I’ve heard Eagle Valley referred to as an industrial quality pellet as well. I don’t know. They burn ok in my stove.
You have no idea what you are talking bout daffonce....the company went bk because of the two mills, mostly lack of fibre at the Scotia mill, not because of lack of sales out of Upton....know your facts before you open your pie hole and make a stupid statement.....
Most of the larger mills usually supply the industrial market...but their pellets can and do meet the PFI standards for heating fuel pellets....so just because they sell overseas to power plants, certainly doesn't mean they can't supply the US/Can home pellet markets....LaCrete, Pinnacle, LG all supply pellets for overseas in quantities greater than what they sell in the USA.....just cause a producer sells into that market doesn't mean they don't produce a great product....
There was no mount oakie, they were not 10s of thousands of tons of oakie product just sitting up on that hill unsold. The product was also FIFO. The problem was there was no fiber. The product they had sold so well that they couldn't keep it in stock. I mean it sold so well that he is finally selling all of the left over product now so he can close the book on that chapter of his life. I mean that 2+ acre paved area covered with what my eyes tell me was all 3 varieties of oakies and some minute men pellets that was all a figment of my imagination. they sold great, it was the fiber.
