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Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Oldhippie, Mar 3, 2014.

  1. BrowningBAR

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    Well, we know that's a conservative number.
     
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    Thanks for the update! Great news to me on the rear clearance being 6". That is a big deal with my limited space.

    I will be curious as to what the options cost such as the ash drawer, rear heat shield and cook top?

    I'm on the list also waiting on the final pricing. Hope they have a good deal on pre-production prices which will help me make up my mind.
     
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    That's a very good point, my Summit with the insulated firebrick and insulation above the baffle and the side shields does not seem to transfer heat that well so up the flue it goes, my old stove did a much better job of transferring heat to the room.
     
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    Are the side panels user replaceable?
     
  5. BrianK

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    I don't know about "replaceable" but they are really easy to take off and put back on:
     
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    Thanks Brian.
    I guess I used the wrong term...I was referring to the soapstone decorative panel.
    I see it seems to be held to the inside with retainer clips, which should make it very easy.
    Does the stove have plain soapstone there if you don't order the decorative piece, or is it left open?
    I'm curious, because I don't have plans right now to add that.
     
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    I doubt they would place the soapstone there if there is no cut out design on the leg covers unless the customer requests it for heat retention.
     
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    Gotcha.
    I'd like to decide on a nice design (or not) sometime after getting the stove, then also add the trivets.
    All charcoal, I think.
     
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    I've been following the blogs and this is looking like a winner of a stove. I know someone posted an email address to get on a pre-order list, but I can not find it now. Would someone like to either re-post it or send me a PM.
    Thanks all and thanks for getting us all this real life information on what looks like a fantastic stove.
     
  10. My IS heats my home

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    Rec'd an email from Mike at WS today. He said that they estimate sometime early next week to have a price on pre-ordered IS's. He also mentioned that pre-ordered IS stove may not be ready until sometime in July due to vendors that supply the stove parts. Anything new to the IS will be updated on the WS website.
    Good news for folks with pre-orders like myself. This will be a first for a steel stove for me.
     
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    "He also mentioned that pre-ordered IS stove may not be ready until sometime in July"
    Well at least we will be in the shoulder season wood by then.
     
  12. BrianK

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    No doubt about it folks. There will be some very exciting times ahead!
     
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    I found info on the PH intro pricing by going back to 2011 on their website.
    Plain stove was $2400.
    They're $3500 regular price now.
    If the intro price is even close to that good on the IS, I might be a happy camper with a new WS IS on my hearth this fall.
    Gonna' have my wife take a gander at it to see what she thinks 1st though.
     
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    Thanks Dave.
     
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    Dave I'm a little nervous about this. I know there is some popular stove logic that says "don't need as much heat, build a smaller fire".

    But my experience with 2 cat stoves is that they both had their own cruise range where they were happy. I never did a lot of experimenting but my concern is that cruise range happy zone of a 3 cu ft box is going to be more than you need, and I'm not certain there's a way to dial that back and still realize some of the other important aspects of your heating, like long burn time and efficiency.

    I claim no big expertise on this, but I think it might be even worth it's own thread, before lot's of folks jump on the IS strategy I think it is a concern worth considering.
     
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    Thanks Brian, got a reply from Jamie that was pretty much what I learned here. Need to decide if the stove will be big enough. We have about 3000sf raised ranch 50' X 50' about half of the basement is the garage. Built in the 60's with replacement windows (double pane) R40 in the attic and 2X4 insulated external walls. Stove is in the basement by the stairs. Our 2cf Quad 3100 step top does a great job but want a larger firebox.
    Love the looks and the price point of the new IS. But, can't wonder if the PH or another higher BTU stove would be the better option.
    Thanks for the help everyone.
     
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    I've asked in various ways how this, and other stoves, run in "low & slow" mode because of my concern that they might produce too much heat for my space.

    I have a stove that can keep the house warm in most of the coldest days if I feed it often, but can't be controlled well enough in SS, even with just a small load of wood.
    I don't want that anymore.
    I need a large stove that can overcome this home's heat loss when things get extreme, and yet still burn at a controlled temp for a few hours before dying, especially during SS.
    The medium/large BK stoves sound able to accomplish this, and the info I've garnered here about the IS is similar, yet a bit different.
    Right now, it's close to zero outside, the living room next to the stove room is 69.4, yet I feel a bit cool.
    The back of the house through a fairly open LR, and kitchen, is cooler. The back bedroom will not get above about 62° in these temps.
    This stove is 23" e/w brick to brick, 18" from the back brick to the glass (I use 16" splits), and almost 11" high....usable. There's more space that can be measured, but no way I can use it. Which is why I always wonder about these measurements from manufacturers. I've had a tape with me, and found the fireboxes of at least a couple stoves to not be as claimed.....when I only measure "usable" space. I couldn't give a rat's patootie about the space I can't easily fit wood...that's pointless chest pounding.
    My stove isn't much different than the IS, yet the IS claims firebox size of 3.2 cu. ft., and if I'm generous I can claim up to over 2.5 cu. ft. for the Ashley. Hmmm.
    Usable is closer to 2.3.
    Not big enough, unless running at 700° in these temps., which are the exception rather than the rule....except for this year. However, that's too much heat for an hour or 2 when it's 25-30 out.
    Simply put, I need a stove to hold 5-600° (or more) for a few hours in this type of cold, yet still be able to run at 400° or a bit less during SS.
    Who makes that stove? I only know the Ashley, and other stoves through what others post about their stoves.
    Enough rambling.
     
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    I hope for your sake you find the stove that you are going to be happy with. It is a lot of money. I know how you feel. I stumble around with that decision for my pellet stove for a couple years. About drove everyone around me nuts with my constant why, and what if's, But then said it is about time to listen and do something. So I made the move and got the unit that was most recommended to me. It also helped that my nephew works at the shop I bought the stove from. I didn't ask for or get any price break, but my nephew did come and hitch the stove up for me. I maxed out my budget and then some for the stove, but it is hard to put a price on how well this stove heats and how easy it is to operate. That last stove you mentioned looks like a real good heater. I don't know how it fits your budget, but if it fits your needs, that would be the first consideration. No sense in getting a unit you have to "settle for".
     
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    Keep in mind, Dave has a lot of insulation issues. Dave needs to oversize the hell out of his stove, much like I do. Will his home get too warm at times? Probably. But, that comes with a big stove to meet the needs of a drafty home. The stove does seem quite controllable. So, this should minimize the overheating issues to some degree.

    It is a better choice than the 30 and more affordable than a new BK stove. Unless Dave is willing to search out a used stove, the IS is his best solution at this point.
     
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