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mmm...yeah, maybe on some engines...a little bit. Nothing that most anyone would notice...but the 20% mileage drop was very noticeable though... if we had E85 available as cheap as you do then it may be more of a consideration here.
On a different note, we are buying a new plow truck at work, can get a '17 250 SD for the same price as a '18 150. Basically just 4x4 work trucks...nothin fancy. 5.0 in the 150, 6.2 in the 250, both with plow packages...I recommended the 250...

 

For a plow truck, yes, always go 3/4 ton or 1 ton.
Motor trend had a 5.3 gm 1500 flex fuel pick up for a year. They did performance tests with e10 vs e85, and the difference was noticable for acceleration, and mpg losses were not bad for what the gains were.

 

Save yourself some trades and go with a diesel!! I just back into a duramax and it feels great.

 

Lots of people are voting with their wallets...and diesels are losin market share. For many the greatly increased purchase price along with higher maintenance costs (and potentially much higher repair costs) and the fact that the fuel economy has dropped and gas engine fuel economy has gone up...is not boding well for the diesel option. I run into people regularly that have switched from diesel to gas...one example is a company right there in Syracuse, Dukes Root Control...ran all F550 diesels...now almost their whole fleet is back to gas.

 

Agreed. Well said.

 

Diesels in half tons don't make sense, unless you tow all the time, then you couldn't tow that much to make diesels make sense. I'm not a gm guy, but Isuzu makes a good motor.

There's some talk that the 18 toyota tundra will have at least an 8 spd tranny, and the 5.0 that's in the Lexus LC.

I don't think that will happen though. I should test drive a tundra with the 4.6 v8 though.

 

Unfortunately with all the extra emissions crap that's on them, new diesels don't make sense unless you use that capability. To me, a diesel in a half ton is an oxymoron.

 

aww Horkn your showing your age buddy... all kids up here are putting diesel in half tons with tuner kits... the put stack in the bed (so bed is about useless) but they can roll coal... cause that makes sense... of course they don't put block heaters in them so they don't start in winter but heh the can dump fuel out of the stacks!

 

Lol

I haul more with my Audi than most chipped and tuned diesel trucks around here. If a diesel made sense for me, I'd do it.

Yesterday, out on the lake, I was taking to a friend with a 2016 3.5 ecoboost crew f150, and his buddy with a 7.3 in a 2000 f250. The guy with the ecoboost was thinking of getting a 2018 f150 with the diesel. We had a pretty good discussion.

If only diesels were as uncomplicated as they were in 2000, it might be a different story.

 

Pricing should be on your side. US auto sales have been declining this year, after several records. (Except for the F150...sales still going up)

 

No offense but I can't see worrying about the fuel economy between the couple extra gears when you are looking at a truck stickering for $50,000+. If you factor the fuel costs/mileage differences between the 2 and then span it over the life of the vehicle, you are talking maybe pennies a day.

Buy a truck to use and a car for mileage.

I haven't been a fan of the fords for a few years and now with everything being the ecoboost I am really not a fan. I have a 2 buddies that have spun the turbos on their f150's because the computers went crazy. I am still surprised that Ford can't do better with the smaller engines and less weight and Chevy can still get the mileage and have a heavier truck.

 

You are hardcore GM my friend...have not heard many negatives on the ecoboosts. I have heard Chevy is going Aluminum...brilliant idea!!

 

I thought the Chevy commercials last year where they were baggin on Ford for the aluminum bodys was pretty funny...considering that they were getting ready to do it too...seems those commercials have mysteriously disappeared now...imagine that.
Ima gon love it if Ford somehow turns those same commercials around against 'em

 

The 10 speed was designed by Ford but GM is going to use it too. In return GM is going to design something for Ford to use. Even though the F150 is aluminum it is about the same weight as the competition.

 

I don't like ford at all either, their pcm and tuning capability has been a decade behind so I don't doubt what you have said one bit. I've heard many horror stories as well. Bit you have defects among everything no matter who or where it's built or "assembled".

People have their preferences and for a average Joe using it for a DD it doesn't much matter. So each their own!

It seems it's all bells and whistles now in days is what sells.
Like stated 40+ k for a vehicle I think you should get knit picky!

 

They are, by 2020.

Ford typically keeps it classy and let's gm go with the low blows. Ford retaining the best selling truck for the last couple of years ( and overall best selling vehicle) despite those cheesy commercials is testament to what and why they do what they do.

The first Gen 3.5 ecoboost had some random, but easily correctable glitches with programming. Those issues were taken care of on the first Gen 3.5 and they are on gen 2 of the 3.5 EB. I've not heard of "spun turbos", aside from the fact that turbos are supposed to spin, and quite fast at that.

I'm not a GM guy though. They have not been that good to my family over the years, compared to Ford and Toyota. Heck, my Audi has been more reliable and less expensive to maintain than the GM's we've had.

 

The 10 SPD was co-developed by gm and ford.

Ford's have typically been heavier compared to GM's for full size trucks. Then they went aluminum body, and they end up weighing similar to the GM's.

 

Ford pretty much did the 10 speed. GM is doing a 9 speed transverse mounted trans.

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