In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

Used motor oil for bar oil??

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by BZOR, Dec 13, 2016.

?

Can you use old motor oil for bar oil?

  1. Yes, if the oil is in good condition

    3 vote(s)
    8.3%
  2. No way, that old man is crazy

    31 vote(s)
    86.1%
  3. I don't know but think it's a good question

    2 vote(s)
    5.6%
  1. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,473
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    Nope when they change oil they don't use it. put it in hydro buckets and take it away. Winter time, it may or may not be used as a fire starter/stoaker:picard:. Most of these loggers have their own trucks so they have that much more oil to use as well. But like you said they don't want to go all over and pour it up probably. Between the buck saw and the delimber on the loader they can use a pretty good bit of oil. The buck saw and delimber saw probably use several gallons a day.

    To be honest with all the rules and regs, I really am surprised there is not tome EPA law against it. I am sure that will be coming at some point. I mean they care how much gas your saw now consumes or its emissions but not that , the same saw can blow used oil all over the woods?:loco: :crazy:
     
    Jeffrey Svoboda likes this.
  2. JustWood

    JustWood Guest

    Won't be long and "they" will require sling sumps and dust catchers on chainsaws with mandatory manifested disposal and documented incineration of all firewood cutting byproducts cross contaminated by oil. Chits like spent nuclear fuel rods . :cool:
     
  3. ironpony

    ironpony

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,508
    Likes Received:
    18,220
    Location:
    Mid Ohio
    1. A lot of assumptions are being made here about other members.
    2. I still am working on my FIRST jug of used motor oil 2.5.gallons
    3. I burn pellets
    4. In the last 10 years I have cut 10 cords of wood

    So the people
    cutting wood with modified/factory chainsaws
    splitting wood with gas splitters
    hauling it home with old trucks/tractors
    burning it in older stove
    maybe even an OWB :picard:
    really should look in the mirror before condemning others
    WE are ALL contributing to pollution in some way

    I have been in the environmental field for years asbestos, lead, radon and other contaniments and when you talk to people about those substances you get the sam replies.
    Either the world is coming to an end or they do not hurt anything.
     
  4. JustWood

    JustWood Guest

    Yep
    Most people would flip their lid if they knew how much nonfri asbestos is still being put in building materials . I run into it every day in my biz.
     
  5. nosurprise87

    nosurprise87

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2016
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    451
    Location:
    US
    Best comment I've read ironpony. Well stated !

    Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk
     
    clemsonfor and BZOR like this.
  6. Andyshine77

    Andyshine77

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    1,931
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    Lol doubt it. All bar oil will just become biodegradable, which is already available.

    Keep in mind oil spread that thin does break down rather quickly, it's the additives and contaminants that hang around for awhile.
     
    bushpilot, clemsonfor and BZOR like this.
  7. Andyshine77

    Andyshine77

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    1,931
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    Asbestos is pretty much harmless if not airborne, people do have knee-jerk reactions to things that's for sure.

    When it comes to burning wood it's carbon neutral, as wood releases the same amount of carbon when it breaks down.

    Ported saws are different subject now.

    Nevertheless using used engine oil as bar Lube, is just not a smart idea, in fact it's not very smart in any way.
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2016
  8. JustWood

    JustWood Guest

    Sarcasm!
    Oil already is biodegradeable. Just over a longer time. ie gulf spill
     
    clemsonfor and BZOR like this.
  9. JustWood

    JustWood Guest

    A lot of floor tile has nonfri in it.
    Does walking on it cause abrasion = airborne particles ??!!
    I've never seen a oilsorb boom or pad in a Walmart water runoff retention pond! Is that used motor oil exempt ?
     
    Jeffrey Svoboda and clemsonfor like this.
  10. Andyshine77

    Andyshine77

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    1,931
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    The oil yes, not so much the additives.
     
    clemsonfor and BZOR like this.
  11. bassJAM

    bassJAM

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2014
    Messages:
    1,999
    Likes Received:
    6,020
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    I find it comical that we're arguing over maybe a gallon of motor oil (0.13 cubic feet) spread over an acre (43,560 square feet) when we're burning a heck of a lot of gasoline to cut that wood, transport it, split it, and then create more air pollution while burning it. Fact is most of us heat with wood to save ourselves money, not because it's good for the environment. Now a handful of us burning wood isn't going to really harm anything (the earth is pretty darned good at filtering things within reason) but if the entire North American continent was trying to heat with wood, well the EPA and Canada's equivalent would shut that down immediately before all our our lungs got destroyed.

    Most of us buy the bar oil because its relatively cheap and more importantly, our saws are designed to use it. But I couldn't care less if someone wants to use new or used motor oil in their saws. The environmental impact is probably nil compared to the other stuff we do (how many of us justify driving a large truck every day when a Civic would do just fine). I think the costs are probably about even when looking at buying bar oil vs premature bar/chain wear, but that's just speculation on my part. But until someone can lay down some facts about PPM in contamination using engine oil and the issues that causes you're just arguing for arguments sake.
     
  12. Andyshine77

    Andyshine77

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    1,931
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    I doubt much if any gets airborne, and the amount between cleanings is minimal. It's my understanding you have to inhale a decent amount of asbestos for it to harm you anyway.

    You could add every road in the world to that Walmart parking lot for that matter. It's about doing what you can when you can, not about making excuses to be cheap or lazy.

    Let's look at the big picture.

    Using used engine oil may have a positive short term impact on your finances. However is it worth the Potential impact on the environment, equipment, and your health? All of which can negativity effect your finances. Is it really worth cutting a corner to save a few bucks?
     
    clemsonfor, BZOR and Mag Craft like this.
  13. MasterMech

    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,648
    Likes Received:
    26,018
    Location:
    Greenville County SC
    DING DING DING!!!!

    We have a winner!
     
  14. ironpony

    ironpony

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,508
    Likes Received:
    18,220
    Location:
    Mid Ohio
    SO...... MM you are going to put ALL your saws back to stock specs, RIGHT.........

    :rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol:


    DO the right thing ,,, right??
     
  15. Andyshine77

    Andyshine77

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    1,931
    Location:
    Cincinnati, OH
    He'll just stick a cat in the mufflers.
     
    clemsonfor and BZOR like this.
  16. ironpony

    ironpony

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,508
    Likes Received:
    18,220
    Location:
    Mid Ohio
    One asbestos fiber is all it takes to start the cancer process.

    you are exposed more asbestos fibers from being healthy and jogging along the road, brake dust.
     
    clemsonfor, JustWood and BZOR like this.
  17. ironpony

    ironpony

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    3,508
    Likes Received:
    18,220
    Location:
    Mid Ohio
    why hurt the cat?? thats a whole nether subject.....
     
  18. MasterMech

    MasterMech The Mechanical Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2013
    Messages:
    9,648
    Likes Received:
    26,018
    Location:
    Greenville County SC
    And destroy all my vintage saws for the good of the environment right? :dex:

    You gonna throw a DPF and DEF system on that Cummins? I've long taken the position that fuel economy is the best way to reduce total emissions. The current philosophy of burn more fuel to scrub the exhaust is kinda arse backwards IMO.

    And save an Earthquake or two, the emissions systems on my newer equipment, even the modified stuff, are intact and functioning. I'm doing a mental inventory at the moment but other than the two Earthquake saws, ah chit, the Echo CS490 is a cat muffler..... but it's still intact cause the saw is still new, never fueled!
     
    clemsonfor likes this.
  19. oldspark

    oldspark

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2014
    Messages:
    2,534
    Likes Received:
    7,441
    Location:
    NW Iowa
    So I want to know how well the bar oil works in your pickup?
     
    bushpilot, MasterMech and clemsonfor like this.
  20. clemsonfor

    clemsonfor

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    15,996
    Likes Received:
    37,473
    Location:
    Greenwood county SC
    Like I said, we live in a fossil fuelled world. Just try to limit what you do, if there other means and you don't go broke doing it, then please do so, not for you or me but our kids. That's all.
     
    oldspark and Andyshine77 like this.