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  1. My IS heats my home

    My IS heats my home

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    I ran my 6421 tonight and noticed a couple things that I'm not used to on my husky.

    Both things have to do with the muffler; one is the left exhaust port does not have what looks like a spark arrestor on it, it's just a hole. Sparks occasionally flew out of this exhaust port today, something i've never seen before, is it normal?

    and the second thing is, the screen on the muffler, located onto to one side, it got cherry red today too, is this normal?

    My first thought was the muffler is getting clogged and is heating up too hot.
     
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    The sparks without a spark screen are normal. Don't know about the screen, never paid attention to it. Maybe Moderating can move this to the chainsaw forum.
     
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    screen is spark arrestor for those chunks of glowing carbon. that muffler has a cat in it which is why it runs so hot. so the basic mod is to open up muffler remove cat increase muffler exit port size and retune saw afterwards. There are details floating around on how to do this. Benifits - the saw will come alive and exhibit more power, run cooler. Oh and brand new out of the box the saws are tuned way to lean ( all makes) in the first place- Thanks to the meddling EPA.
     
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    Grizzly Adam will move it!
     
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    I'm confused .
    The stock muffler only has 1 exhaust port
     
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    Maybe I'm mistaken. The two holes facing directly outward are not the exhaust ports?
    and then facing the saw, in the top left corner is another port covered with a mesh screen.

    The two round ports in front have some kind of diverter (arrestor maybe) in the hole itself
    this is where my sparks would come from. One of the ports on mine has no diverter in it, this is the port the
    sparks came from.

    The screen at the top of the muffler also got cherry red while cutting.
     
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    My IS heats my home

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    Is the cat inside the muffler becoming clogged already with what I've described? Should the muffler parts be that hot?

    The other things that happened was a few chips were lodged beside the muffler and caused a small smoke show when I was refueling.
    First time for that too
     
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    The 2 holes in the front are just to remove the muffler (what bolts the muffler to the cylinder). No air comes through them at all. The only outlet is the one with the screen.

    Granted this is a 6400. But that's the same style muffler (minus the Cat). The front holes serve no use for exhaust. No sparks, exhaust, etc shouldn't or can't come out of it.

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    What you are calling a diverter, is just something that pushes in to protect those holes from filling with chips/junk. A small flathead will pop them out. Then you can use an Allen or torx bit (not sure which it was) to remove the 2 bolts and then remove the muffler.
     
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    Is there a chance that a spark could come out of the hole on the right? I was cutting and saw the sparks fly couldn't see where they came from but a buddy of mine was watching and pointed to the hole on the right. I'm just trying to make sure, I'm sorry if I sound like a nag.
     
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    So there are two bolts in those two round slots and the two bolts that are on the front below those?
     
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    Those 2 bolts are just to hold that little bracket on in case the 2 main studs in the cylinder come loose.

    Lots of saws have that same bracket. It's a "just in case" thing.

    I would say there is no way possible for sparks to come out of that saw. Not with a Cat. (Unless the cat is gone and it has a nice muff mod. But even then? I've never seen a spark from a muffler. Only from wood)

    Are you sure it was not the wood (or something in the wood). I've seen hard and dry Wood throw plenty of sparks.

    If you get 5 free minutes. Loosen the 2 bolts on the front and see if the muffler gets loose? If the 2 main bolts are tight? Then it won't budge at all. Then remove the 2 bolts in the deep holes (behind the covers). Then you can look inside the muffler and see the extensive baffle and catalytic combustor inside.

    You'll then see that with the baffle, cat, and spark arrestor screen? That a spark could not come out of that muffler.
     
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    I ran the saw in nothing a few times just to see what your asking. As I revved it up a couple times I could see a couple sparks come out.
    I wasn't sure when it was in wood whether or not I was hitting some dirt of something else so I ran it dry and revved it, still got sparks
     
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    Stihl has been using those covers for years now. The 261, 441, etc all have them.

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    Are you sure the chain is on the rim sprocket? Flip the saw upside-down and look with a flashlight. Or take the clutch cover off.

    Sparks will come out of the clutch cover (will look like it's coming from the muffler) if the chain is not on the rim and pinched between it. I've seen several people do it
     
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    I'd check this if you were not in wood..


    I'd almost guarantee that it's off the rim
     
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    I'm with Dex I find it hard to believe that the stock muffler is making the sparks. The bolts holding the muffler on are torx style heads. If you don't have a set of torx drivers, China Fright (Harbor Freight) sells a set cheap. If your used to a spur type sprocket; Spur_sprocket.JPG

    Its easy to install the chain improperly on a rim type sprocket until you get used to it;
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    I've seen sparks thrown from an improperly installed chain. Maybe you can shoot a video of said sparks?

    As far as the screen getting hot it's typical for a muffler with a catalytic converter to run much hotter than one without.
     
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    Clean the saw up , give it a good blow job , clean the bar groove , check bar for damage and check if chain is on sprocket right , tension the chain properly , start it up and see what ya got .
    I never noticed my screen getting red hot but , never really looked
     
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    if you are fat on the oil mix or not the right oil could be a bit of carbon build popping loose , Or because it is a new saw maybe some plating from the muff just burning off. Just musing here.
     
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    I'm starting to lean towards the sprocket idea. Although I have yet to get at it today.
     
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