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Got the 30-NC installed!

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    I have noticed some temperature effect, but not enough variation has presented itself yet to be sure.

    So the doghouse is not off of the primary air valve? More learning to take place ...:sherlock:

    Does the primary (controllable) air come in from the "lip" under the door, both sides of the doghouse? And the doghouse from somewhere else?
     
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    I know I have read about stoves that are out there that do have a certain amount of adjustability to the secondary air...but it is a single control...primary and secondary adjust together at the ratio the factory has designed. Don't recall now what the brand/model was...but most stoves are like the NC30 though, you get what you got, like it or lump it. :)
     
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    Not my case fore sure. I run hot (non smoking) fires as much as possible, have Duraplus DVL for every part of the system, and 2-3 year old wood. Very clean burning. Glad to hear that it is not an issue.

    It is quite a stove really, I have been pleasantly surprised already. Bring it on! :shiver: :fire:
     
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    Greg, I doubt you'll need to worry about a runaway.
    Hasn't happened to me yet. I did wander away and forgot about the stove a couple times and noticed the house getting quite warm.:eek:
    Pretty easily controllable. Like Highbeam said, close the air down a little sooner than might think needed and the stove won't get too crazy. I use a mag thermometer and an IR gun. The mags are kinda' slow to respond to temp changes.
    If you consider "control" of secondary to mean full flow, then sure, reducing primary "controls" secondary. It does have a direct effect.
    I put some aluminum tape over a portion of the secondary hole after I got the stove, thinking I was making the stove run gooder. Didn't work well. Maybe I didn't experiment enough.
    I also put little magnets over the intake holes for the doghouse. Again, made things worse, especially later in the burn. That left some wood chunks in the back of the stove.
    I'm sure. :thumbs: Same was true with my old stove, and many others report the same. Not enough temp differential (dangit, what's that called again?) to allow a real gooder draft right away.
     
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    No, I don't think so.
    Above the door...it is your window "air wash" too
     
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    Watch the burn once things get going well, and you've shut the air down and have a secondary burn going.
    If there is any wood directly in front of the doghouse, you'll notice that jet of air will bore a hole right into, and through the wood.
    Heck, you don't even need a 2ndary burn to see it. I watched it this morning.

    No.
     
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    Greg, if your home is adequately insulated, you'll love this stove.
    Mine isn't, and I still get enough heat most of the time for at least 8 hours. I've been sleeping well since installing the 30. :dex:
     
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    It looks like mike holton and crew knew what they were doing, huh? :BrianK: :sherlock:

    I guess I'll be leaving it alone. :)
     
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    Mess with it if you want, but it likely won't help much.:)
     
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    OK, understand. I think I should read my manual again before the heating season starts.
     
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    Isn't yours a "Smart Stove"?
     
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    Yes, it is. However, I never really used it; hoping to see how it works this winter. Suppose to be able to set the damper wide open, then it automatically sets back. I was trying to learn things in the short time I used it last year.
     
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    I've only had cast iron stoves which are more forgiving, I think, but I've easily seen temps at 575- 650+ when the castine would be cruisen. Probe would be near 1000°

    I did learn to close down the air sooner, which helped, but with dry wood, my stove really cranked with secondaries. Use of a small fan blowing toward the stove from about 3 ft away did bring the temps down a little.
     
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    Not sure, G....I haven't purchased the 30...yet.:whistle:
     
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    Maybe check the manual. I'm not sure.
    I think mine has gone up to about 700 or so for a while, and I usually run it around 550 or so most of the time.
     
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    Well, it is about time you get with the program! :BrianK:

    I have read the manual several times, and haven't seen any temperature limits, just warnings to not overfire, and that if it is glowing, it is overfired. :bug: Thanks for your numbers, they help. Perhaps mike holton has an idea of how to monitor it by temperature?
     
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    Don't know what temperature is the top end, but this stove has excellent control. Don't think you'll have any issues with it, as long as you act on the rod as the fire progresses... I burn quite a bit of hedge and can kick it down pretty quickly letting it simmer through the burn cycle. I think you'll really enjoy this stove...
     
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    I'll throw in my 2 cents even though it wasn't asked for :emb:
    It's a steel stove...I wouldn't get too excited until 900* F...and even then I hafta agree with Well Seasoned , its likely this stove would take a short run at 1000*...definitely wouldn't test it at 1000 on purpose though!
     
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    I have run mine to 800° on normal operation numerous times and have no warping like I've seen ono other 30's that have less run time on wet wood.

    A few times a year she has gotten well over 1,000° STT. But if you shut it down, she comes down pretty nicely. Although I did install a damper in the appliance adapter. Without it, the secondaries would go crazy. Shutting the damper pretty much shuts secondaries down
     
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