Getting a new truck, compare RAM EcoDiesel vs F150 Platnum??

Gas and diesel are running about the same $ near me. Has been for quite awhile now.

 

$.25 more here

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Bummer for you.

 

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Fuel mileage in the Ecoboost sucks.

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21mpg+ in a 365hp 4x4 crew cab truck sucks?

 

With more expensive fuel, truck that is more expensive to maintain and repair and 120hp less.

I'm not sure the 3.5 ecoboost and ecodiesel are in the same category. The ecodeisel is more comparable to the 2.7 or base 3.5.

 

Also, Ford makes more money, the higher the trim level. I'm sure all the manufacturers do. Every Doo dad and gizmo costs $, and each add on makes the manufacturer profit.

 

That's not typical for most places. Usually diesel is at least 20 cents a gallon more. Around here, it's 30 cents a gallon more than regular. Typically the added oil change and maintenance costs of a diesel will negate most mpg advantages.

You used to be able to argue that a VW TDI in a golf, Passat, beetle, or jetta would get so much better mpg that added maintenance vs a gasser. But now that diesel gate has happened, who knows.

 

Can we all agree that it is much cooler to say I drive a diesel??

 

Only if you have 10" chrome stacks and can "roll coal"...

 

I agree completely, and the performance test data back that up.

The other thing is the initial cost of diesel motor over the gas equivalent. That has to be weighed too.

 

If it was a dually with a 6.7 it wasn't a half ton, it was an F250 or 350..

You should be able to pick up a new half ton Lariat somewhere in the low $40's to mid $50's range depending on options. Still not cheap, but a lot better than a 3/4 or 1 ton.

 

Some people do negotiate better deals, but not everybody and a lot depends on the dealership. If they're a high volume dealership you probably can easily negotiate better, but if it's a smaller dealership you might not be able to and the Z plan would be the way to go.

I can get X-plan through my work, and the high volume dealerships in my area have listing prices that are significantly better than the X plan would get me.

 

If I am correct X-plan is the Ford Vendor discount program??

A and Z should be a little better than X if so.

If someone gets a couple hundred more off than I get with the Z plan (If as you say may happen), I am ok with that. I like going on line, telling them to give me the plan price, going in and signing my name and heading home.

My Mom was a Controller at many large car dealerships when I was growing up and to say the least, buyer beware. They will give you a better price, then jack up the interest rate a point or two and make there money on the back end. Trade-ins, extended warranties, insurance add-ons...don't get me started!! LOL

 

Yeah, X plan is vendor, A & Z will have better prices.

Dealerships (and car salesmen) are all sleezeballs IMO. I always go in with a price in mind, and they either meet that or I walk. Except that first time when I was 19 and naive, I've walked out and normally get a call back in a day or 2 and eventually got my price.

Often if buying new, you'll have to take the factory interest rate if you want other incentives like rebates. The thing to remember is nothing is stopping you from taking that high interest rate loan and then going to your bank or credit union the very next day and refinancing to something more reasonable.

 

Yea, I agree the Dodges are not at the top for looks. I like the look of the Ford much better... but they aren't that far apart if you put rims and tires on it... BUT, like you I'm a function guy first. That is what is making this decision so difficult for me. The function expecially with the Rambox (bed storage boxes) I am just totally in love with. Can't get it out of my head. For the last 15 years, my Screw has had a milk crate (where is Dennis when you need him??? ) bungie tied in the back of the bed with jumper cables, block of wood, rags... and it drivesme nuts!! Always in the way, yet I can't get rid of it... Man those storage boxes look handy!

Hmmmm, very cool. Yea, on my test rides, the Laramie Longhorn which has the air suspension system rides amazing. It ride like a luxury sudan like an A8 audo or something. Hard to beat that. I'd be interested to see hwo it feels offroad,,...?

7 YEARS! That's another thing the Ram is killing Ford on, the warranty. That's a long time to warranty a motor.... Love that, especially after all the work I had to do my current ford early on, OUT of warranty.

You know, I have not looked at the Chevy at all, I have to do that in the next few days. I just was never a Chevy guy, and don't see anything in particular to draw me to them (i.e. Ecodiesel, or a Ford well know...). But I should have a look at them. Although I love the sound of a diesel motor, I really do NOT want a loud truck like the cummings and others sound. My boat has all that sound with two of them in there, so that is all I really need! My truck is really my "car", with some storage space, so I prefer a nice ride and quiet one. The Ecodiesel is VERY quiet!

PS, No problem, sorry for the political.... wasn't thinking.

 

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They DO NOT get anywhere near 21mpg! I've now test driven 7 or 8 of them now, all with between 9k and 24k on them. The average MPG on the gauges are all showing between 13 and 17, on ALL of them!! The one I drove last night was the worst at 13. The bed was kinda dirty, so it looked like it was used as a work truck, and had exactly 20,002 miles on it, and said overall avg of 13.1MPG. The Trip A had 600 miles on it, and said 13.3MPG on it.

 

They DO NOT get anywhere near 21mpg! I've now test driven 7 or 8 of them now, all with between 9k and 24k on them. The average MPG on the gauges are all showing between 13 and 17, on ALL of them!! The one I drove last night was the worst at 13. The bed was kinda dirty, so it looked like it was used as a work truck, and had exactly 20,002 miles on it, and said overall avg of 13.1MPG. The Trip A had 600 miles on it, and said 13.3MPG on it.[/QUOTE]

You're looking at 3.5 ecos, I think he's talking about the 2.7 ecoboost which is a completely different engine. The 2.7's actually meet the EPA ratings. It's not uncommon for a crew cab 4x4 with the 2.7 eb to get 20+mpg, and the regular cabs often get high 20's.

 

LOL!!

Well, I can't talk about the older large diesels. But these new ones like the Ecodiesel, the maintenance cost is exactly the same. There is no increased cost. Oil changes are far apart (10k miles), its the same $90 for a dealer oil and filter change.

That is what I see as a bonus on the Ram. The Ram trucks are acutally a tad CHEAPER than the fords, yet the Ram has a diesel and the ford has a gasser. Down the road guess which one will hold a better value!